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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #390 on: February 09, 2010, 12:43:54 AM »

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Rubio/Alston
Harden/Daniels
Gay
Griffin
Kaman/Speights

Still looking to trade Kaman, and I'd like to pick up a floor-running big in the process - Nene and Frye both come to mind, although I'm not sure if either is really attainable.  

Still, what do people think of the setup thus far?

Well it's certainly a far more tempting destination for Rubio. Clippers grant both his wish to land in a major media market and his wish for a warm weather city. He's also installed as the franchise's starting point guard from day one, rather than find himself in a training camp battle with high potential for embarrassment. And, Griffin and Gay should be ideal running mates with the three making Sportscenter regularly.

As for the Caveman, I agree with Who and wouldn't be so quick to move him. Speights should certainly be seeing more minutes for the 76ers, but, as IP pointed out, he's more a 4/5 and what's more also a lousy decision maker, particularly on the defensive end. I'm not confident he'd find success as a 35-38 mpg starting center, yet anyway.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #391 on: February 09, 2010, 12:45:06 AM »

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I had a better argument before school ruined my two picks on Friday.

Even so, i think the cats are better than they currently are, though i admit the missing of the two picks hurt my bench substantially.

See sig for current team, thoughts on the cats?

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #392 on: February 09, 2010, 12:49:59 AM »

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I love the Pietrus pickup. He's an excellent role player.

Defensively, the wing rotation of Jackson + Wallace + Pietrus is amazing!

Edit: Forgot, the rest of the bench

Excellent selection with Chris Duhon. I'd be tempted to start him ahead of Mike Conley. Close call.

I don't like the Glen Davis draft pick. He doesn't have enough quickness to be an effective defensive combination alongside either Troy Murphy or Brendan Haywood. Needed more quickness from the backup big, more athleticism. 

Solid pickup with Nick Young ... I'm not an admirer of his game but he's a solid fourth wing in the depth chart. I would give all the available regular rotation minutes to Pietrus, Wallace and Jackson though.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #393 on: February 09, 2010, 12:50:49 AM »

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Casspi is currently putting in 39% from deep, Matthews 36%, Ilyasova 36%, Sefelosha 33%..the only guy on the 1-3 who really absolutely cannot shoot a 3pt shot is Will Bynum, but he's an energizer bunny off the bench, and a good PG that probably has a starting gig somewhere in teh NBA if it wasn't for Stuckey.

As far as size goes, David Lee is 6-9, but he's been playing center for years and he's almost netting 20-11 right now, Casspi is 6-9, Ilyasova is 6-9, Lopez is 11ft tall, Sefelosha is 6-7, Matthews is 6-5, and Harris is 6-3, Bynum 6-0 (actually he's probably smaller, but everybody has 1, right?)

What I really fear is that I have literally no one I feel like can create their own shot on any given possession. Maybe someday Casspi gets that, but I doubt it. That's expecting a bit much. That means games need to be won with sweat, and nobody in the NBA can bring the hardcore ferocious hustle this team needs more than 3 games out of 5.

Percentage-wise, that sounds fine. But how many attempts per game are these guys accustomed to shooting? With your team down 3 with the ball and seconds left, is Harris your best shot? Your only shot?

By size, I don't mean length, I mean muscle. Division-wise I think you'll do OK against opposing frontcourts, with perhaps the Knicks posing a problem (Martin, especially). Against the Southeast, your guys will have a tough time. I think one of the widebodies still on the board would be a good addition to the roster.

I agree, though, that you team's hustle and energy will keep them in games. Some nights, especially on the road, it simply won't be there.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #394 on: February 09, 2010, 01:02:13 AM »

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I had a better argument before school ruined my two picks on Friday.

Even so, i think the cats are better than they currently are, though i admit the missing of the two picks hurt my bench substantially.

See sig for current team, thoughts on the cats?


I think the PG rotation is pretty solid, and the wings are fantastic.

Not a big fan of the PF rotation, as Davis duplicates, rather than complements, Murphy's offensive game. A better defending PF might strengthen the frontcourt set.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #395 on: February 09, 2010, 01:05:50 AM »

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I had a better argument before school ruined my two picks on Friday.

Even so, i think the cats are better than they currently are, though i admit the missing of the two picks hurt my bench substantially.

See sig for current team, thoughts on the cats?


I think the PG rotation is pretty solid, and the wings are fantastic.

Not a big fan of the PF rotation, as Davis duplicates, rather than complements, Murphy's offensive game. A better defending PF might strengthen the frontcourt set.

BTW...I didn't see your team's post for critique so I might as well say, great job on the Jerebko pick. It was him or Ilyasova, and I had to go with the binky, but Jerebko is a good player and great value where you grabbed him.

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #396 on: February 09, 2010, 01:07:43 AM »

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Rubio/Alston
Harden/Daniels
Gay
Griffin
Kaman/Speights

Still looking to trade Kaman, and I'd like to pick up a floor-running big in the process - Nene and Frye both come to mind, although I'm not sure if either is really attainable.  

Still, what do people think of the setup thus far?

Tough to judge really, without seeing anything of Rubio or Griffin, and not much more of Harden or Speights.

A stretch four and a defensive wing stopper might be good. And some veterans to help keep the kids grounded and even-keeled.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #397 on: February 09, 2010, 01:10:11 AM »

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BTW...I didn't see your team's post for critique so I might as well say, great job on the Jerebko pick. It was him or Ilyasova, and I had to go with the binky, but Jerebko is a good player and great value where you grabbed him.

Thanks, IP. Mine's a couple pages back, page 25. Would appreciate your insights.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #398 on: February 09, 2010, 01:11:53 AM »

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See sig for current team, thoughts on the cats?

Well, one point in your favor is current Bobcats roster has a paper thin bench, with neither the sophomores, Augustin and Anjica, nor the rookies, Henderson and Brown carving out large roles for themselves.

And I've been surprised that some don't consider Haywood an upgrade over Chandler at this point. He's having great personal success, posting scoring and rebounding numbers in line with Chandler's career averages and blocking more shots (2.1 per game) than Tyson ever did.

Going further, the team started with the best pair of wing defenders in the league in Wallace and Jackson, adding Pietrus as the first swing off the bench is just an embarrassment of defensive riches at the 2/3. Given that, I feel drafting Young was something of a wasted opportunity. Though I like him well enough.

And I'd argue that an emotional Glen Davis should thrive in his expanded role.

But Who did convince me last week that you would've been better off bringing back Diaw via the draft over Troy Murphy.

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #399 on: February 09, 2010, 01:28:41 AM »

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Now that my nine-man rotation is set, I'll put my squad on the sacrificial altar:

PG: Mike Bibby   [Jarret Jack]
SG: Ben Gordon   [Demar Derozan]
SF: Tayshaun Prince   [Hedo Turkoglu]
PF: Chris Bosh   [Chris Bosh]
C:  Kendrick Perkins   [Andrea Bargnani]

PG/SG: Kirk Hinrich   [Jose Calderon]
SG/SF: Carlos Delfino   [Sonny Weems]
SF/PF: Jonas Jerebko   [Amir Johnson]
C: Nazr Mohammed   [Rasho Nesterovic]

I have half a mind to start Hinrich over Bibby, and/or Delfino over Gordon. I think depending on my opponent's strengths/weaknesses, I'll juggle these lineups. I think my backcourt's flexibility, depth, and experience is a real area of strength in how I match up against divisional and conference foes.

With his length, athleticism, and energy, Jerebko can back up both forward spots, and Mohammed is a serviceable veteran backup at center, for nights when Perkins runs into foul trouble. Still, I recognize that some heft would be a welcome addition to the roster, and I plan to acquire some muscle with my remaining picks.

I'm confident that this is a playoff team, one that should also be in the running for the Atlantic title.

I think this team is well balanced, and potent. Ben Gordon, Bibby, and Bosh are all capable scorers.

Perkins, Prince, and Hinrich are all top notch defenders.

i've never really figured out who Carlos Delfino is as a player. He can shoot a little, he can defend a little, he can slash a little...but he's not reliable on any front. That makes him kind of a sub-par starter to me, but a great fit on the bench for your squad.

Nazr Mohammed...meh. I don't like him much. But as a backup, sure. Sounds good.

One of the top teams in the east right now me thinks.

Improvement? I don't know honestly. Seems like you've got a pretty good plan going already.

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #400 on: February 09, 2010, 01:42:01 AM »

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Rubio/Alston
Harden/Daniels
Gay
Griffin
Kaman/Speights

Still looking to trade Kaman, and I'd like to pick up a floor-running big in the process - Nene and Frye both come to mind, although I'm not sure if either is really attainable.  

Still, what do people think of the setup thus far?

Well it's certainly a far more tempting destination for Rubio. Clippers grant both his wish to land in a major media market and his wish for a warm weather city. He's also installed as the franchise's starting point guard from day one, rather than find himself in a training camp battle with high potential for embarrassment. And, Griffin and Gay should be ideal running mates with the three making Sportscenter regularly.

As for the Caveman, I agree with Who and wouldn't be so quick to move him. Speights should certainly be seeing more minutes for the 76ers, but, as IP pointed out, he's more a 4/5 and what's more also a lousy decision maker, particularly on the defensive end. I'm not confident he'd find success as a 35-38 mpg starting center, yet anyway.

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The rationale for moving Kaman is that I'm wary of how he'll produce in a very up-tempo system.  I've watched Brand struggle mightily in getting acclimated to the Philly game, and I'm not convinced that injuries are the main problem.  I see Kaman as a similar case - post-up big who is likely to struggle in a fast-paced game.  In other words, I'm not really looking for an upgrade over Kaman, so much as a move that would give me what I perceive to be a better fit for my team.  I agree that he’s a very valuable commodity – that’s why I’ve yet to accept an offer for him.  Of the maybe half-dozen GM’s who have kicked the tires on him to this point, there has only really been one offer that really interested me.

You’ve got it right:  Rubio, Gay and Griffin is meant to be the core of this team.  The entertaining style of play will put butts in seats for me; and if Rubio and Griffin turn out to be anywhere near as good as advertised, then I believe I have a contender on my hands.  Not to mention Rudy Gay, who in my opinion could become much better even than he is now (mostly by crashing the glass and playing consistently tough defense.)

Your concerns about Speights are legitimate, and ideally he wouldn’t start on my team.  At this point, though, I’ll have to settle with what I’ve got.  A trade to bring in a solid starting PF would likely cost me assets that I’d rather not lose – particularly since such a PF would likely be a Band-Aid rather than a long-term solution.  There's also the small chance that the Trial-by-Fire approach results in an emergence for Speights.  

Continuing on that line of thought, I acknowledge that I’m fielding a lottery-bound team this year, and I actually view that as a positive in the long-term.  Lots of suck now = great chance for a high pick, and I’d love to have some of the guys coming out in this draft.  DeMarcus Cousins and Evan Turner would both be fantastic fits on this team, and John Wall would make me a contender up to two years early if I get lucky enough to land him – he would immediately supplant Rubio as my PG of the future.

I have two concerns with this team.  The first, you alluded to – Alston and Daniels are tough to pair up because neither can shoot, and the starting lineup isn’t really any better – I really only have two starters who can hit jumpshots (Harden and Gay.)  To remedy that, I plan to spend the remaining rounds surrounding my team with shooters and possibly trading for a marksman or two where beneficial.  The other is simply that the team doesn’t come together.  I think this team is summarily the ultimate high-risk, high-reward project.  In general, though, I love the collection of young talent that I’ve amassed on this team.  

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #401 on: February 09, 2010, 01:46:29 AM »

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C: HIbbert
PF: Boozer
SF: Battier
SG: Granger
PG: Williams

Bench
4/5 backup: Sheed
2/3 backup: Raja Bell
PG backup: TJ Ford

I think that's a pretty solid team so far.  Could definitely use some solid bench players but so far I think I'm off to a pretty decent start.

Opinions from anyone?

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #402 on: February 09, 2010, 01:52:57 AM »

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C: HIbbert
PF: Boozer
SF: Battier
SG: Granger
PG: Williams

Bench
4/5 backup: Sheed
2/3 backup: Raja Bell
PG backup: TJ Ford

I think that's a pretty solid team so far.  Could definitely use some solid bench players but so far I think I'm off to a pretty decent start.

Opinions from anyone?

If I were you, I'd start Raja Bell at SG and move Battier to the bench.  Granger, in my opinion, is not capable of playing SG.  Raja Bell can't score anymore, but with the rest of that starting lineup he won't need to - and Battier off the bench will keep his minutes down.

Love the talent you have on the team though.


Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #403 on: February 09, 2010, 03:32:14 AM »

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My turn?

Pacers starting lineup:

PG  -  Stephen Curry
SG  -  Courtney Lee
SF  -  Lamar Odom
PF  -  Chuck Hayes
C   -  Nenad Krstic

Bench:

Shannon Brown
Anthony Randolph
Zaza Pachulia.

My take on team as follows - though a couple of changes are inevitable.

Krstic is more of a finesse Centre, so i've decided to start a bulldog like Chuck Hayes next to him.  Hayes, whilst being 6-6, can create mismatches but can also defend above his size.

I love Lamar Odom at the 3.  Whilst he may struggle to defend quicker perimeter 3's, he tends to get abused by bigger 4's in the post.  Offensively, he can handle the ball, is a great passer, has pretty good outside touch, can post his man, pretty good rebounder and can also initiate the offense.  I honestly still do not know why i copped so much flack for trading him for Granger.  Nevertheless.....

My starting backcourt of Lee and Curry i like alot.  Whilst they are young, both have shown real promise.  Lee is a very solid defender, who makes a good 3rd or 4th offensive option.  He is a good slasher and decent outside shooter.

Curry is a future all-star.  The season started slow for him, but he has really come on lately.  He is an excellent shooter and is displaying some good playmaking abilities.  The reins of his GSW team will be handed over soon, if not already.

Benchwise, we have a banger in Zaza.  Some length and rawness at the 4 in Anthony Randolph.  In his second starting game as a rook he swatted 8 shots.  You dont do that without some skill.  We also have some toughness and scoring in Shannon Brown (aka 2010 slam dunk champ)  Good slasher, fearless and has confidence in his game.

Whaddya think?
 

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #404 on: February 09, 2010, 07:07:23 AM »

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C: HIbbert
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SF: Battier
SG: Granger
PG: Williams

Bench
4/5 backup: Sheed
2/3 backup: Raja Bell
PG backup: TJ Ford

I think that's a pretty solid team so far.  Could definitely use some solid bench players but so far I think I'm off to a pretty decent start.

Opinions from anyone?

If I were you, I'd start Raja Bell at SG and move Battier to the bench.  Granger, in my opinion, is not capable of playing SG.  Raja Bell can't score anymore, but with the rest of that starting lineup he won't need to - and Battier off the bench will keep his minutes down.

Love the talent you have on the team though.


Thanks for the feedback.  Considered Bell more of a bench guy but switching him in Battier in the lineup isn't a bad idea at all.