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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2010, 06:36:50 PM »

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Ths sixers squad cant get any reviews?


A tangled mix of players whose ages and abilites don't mesh well. No real post threat and no defensive stopper.

I still dont have my sf which I got a few guys i'm looking at depending on how this round ends.

Jameson can score in the post even though he prefers to shoot from the outside and I beliebe speights has  a little post game that will get better with experience and with crawford and possible smith and nelson and jameson on the floor which shooter you going to leave open which means who is ever at the center spot will be able to go one on one in the post.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2010, 06:38:58 PM »

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mmmm......... where will Orlando go to improve his current SF

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2010, 06:39:09 PM »

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Before:

1. Jack
2. DeRozan
3. Turkoglu
4. Bosh
5. Bargnani

After:

1. Hinrich
2. B Gordon
3. Prince
4. Bosh
5. Perkins

I say yes. Better defensively, certainly, and perhaps even marginally better on offense.


Ben Gordon is the 2nd best offensive player on either team so i'd say yeah.

More explosive than Bargs, I think. But the new supporting cast probably slightly outscores the other.
I would rate Turkoglu as the second best offensive player. His passing ability and effectiveness in the pick and roll is a deadly weapon.

As for the team overall, I think it's a lot better defensively and a lot worse offensively (if including Calderon as sixth man). More defensive improvement than offensive decline though. So a better team overall. A 45 to 50 win team.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2010, 06:42:23 PM »

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Before:

1. Jack
2. DeRozan
3. Turkoglu
4. Bosh
5. Bargnani

After:

1. Hinrich
2. B Gordon
3. Prince
4. Bosh
5. Perkins

I say yes. Better defensively, certainly, and perhaps even marginally better on offense.


Ben Gordon is the 2nd best offensive player on either team so i'd say yeah.

More explosive than Bargs, I think. But the new supporting cast probably slightly outscores the other.
I would rate Turkoglu as the second best offensive player. His passing ability and effectiveness in the pick and roll is a deadly weapon.

As for the team overall, I think it's a lot better defensively and a lot worse offensively (if including Calderon as sixth man). More defensive improvement than offensive decline though. So a better team overall. A 45 to 50 win team.

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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2010, 06:45:54 PM »

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Rondo
Richardson
Jefferson
KG

Your Fake Celtics. Not sure how I feel.
Is that Jason Richardson + Richard Jefferson?

Yes.
A good foursome to build a team around. Need a strong presence at center and a deep bench though to still be a contender though. Bench needs some offense. Could fall into that Utah Jazz realm of the NBA where you're a very good team but not quite a contender.

It looks very difficult to build a better team than the top squads. The Celtics and Lakers. Those teams have so much talent in their top five players, it's difficult to maintain that when you only get to keep two of them. Possibly the Magic and Spurs too. Cavs shouldn't be an issue though.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2010, 06:46:03 PM »

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I think so so far

PG: Ty Lawson vs Chris Duhon
SG: Ray Allen vs Danilo Gallinari
SF: Ron Artest vs Wilson Chandler
PF: Zach Randolph vs Jared Jeffries
C: David Lee vs David Lee

Lawson doesn't have quite the pro experience Duhon has but has vast potential as in 22 MPG he already outscores and outrebounds Duhon who plays 9 minutes more per game and is an all around better shooter and is a born leader

Very little Lawson doesn't do exceptionally well

Ray is better than Gallinari short term and expires leaving lots of cap space for LeBron

Artest and Chandler are probably a wash but Artest has so much big game experience that come playoffs Artest would be the more valuable player

Randolph is tons better than Jeffries

Lee is Lee
Any thoughts on the Knicks Mr. Who

You seem extremely knowledgable and I would value your opinion
Pick 2 Knicks

PG: George Hill, Ty Lawson
SG: Ray Allen, Anthony Parker, Quentin Richardson
SF: Grant Hill, Matt Barnes, D
PF: Zach Randolph, Kenyon Martin, Jon Brockman, Dante Cunningham
C:  Nene Hilario,   Own rights: Nikola Pekovic IR: Kyle Weaver

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2010, 06:47:51 PM »

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I have to say that I love this idea of competing against nobody but the team that exists in real life

Any time these drafts happen, and from the sound of it it sounds like they happen a lot, this seems a cool way to judge teams

How do they stack up versus the real team
Pick 2 Knicks

PG: George Hill, Ty Lawson
SG: Ray Allen, Anthony Parker, Quentin Richardson
SF: Grant Hill, Matt Barnes, D
PF: Zach Randolph, Kenyon Martin, Jon Brockman, Dante Cunningham
C:  Nene Hilario,   Own rights: Nikola Pekovic IR: Kyle Weaver

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2010, 06:51:46 PM »

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Old:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Devin Brown/Marcus Thornton
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: David West
C: Emeka Okafor

New:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Marvin Williams
PF: Dejuan Blair
C: Yao Ming

Looks a lot better from where I'm standing; the only real downgrade is at PF, and that's more of a scoring downgrade - Blair's rebounding rate is much higher and he's comparably efficient from the floor.  Thoughts?

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2010, 06:53:41 PM »

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Here's my team, the Brooklyn - least picks in the league! - Draft Dodgers.

PF Michael Beasley with a different hair cut
SF Quentin Richardson replacement to be named. (We hope not by Quentin Richardson...)
C Al Horford
SG Dwayne Wade in glasses
PG Jonny Flynn

I've already admitted I've felt like I was playing with house money. But will be fun to see if I still manage to lose my shirt.
Dwyane Wade and Al Horford is a very nice start. Add a legit second scoring option behind Wade and you have a core (trio) that you could build a Championship contender around.

Not a fan of Beasley or Flynn. Maybe try packaging them for the second scorer.

Thanks Who. Keep it up, I think everybody is enjoying your take.

Though, you'd probably like my squad even less if you knew how much I gave up to acquire Flynn. Whatever. I still have Alston's agent's number

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2010, 06:54:07 PM »

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Old:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Devin Brown/Marcus Thornton
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: David West
C: Emeka Okafor

New:

PG: Chris Paul
SG: Eric Gordon
SF: Marvin Williams
PF: Dejuan Blair
C: Yao Ming

Looks a lot better from where I'm standing; the only real downgrade is at PF, and that's more of a scoring downgrade - Blair's rebounding rate is much higher and he's comparably efficient from the floor.  Thoughts?



Much much much better.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2010, 06:54:40 PM »

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Do we mean our team vs the real NBA team?

Pistons

Stuckey
Bargnni
Camby
Terry
Felton

I think they'd give the Pistons a game.

Yeah, its against the Real NBA. I think your front court is better Redz, I'm just not wild about a back court of Stuckey/Felton/Terry. Who plays SF?

hmm, yeh, Stuckey's a bit of a stretch at SF...I think I'm looking at an old fashioned GS 3 guard offense...
I prefer the actual Pistons. I think they have a pretty solid team if they used a three man backcourt rotation of Stuckey + Rip + Gordon. Then used Prince + Jerebko/Daye at SF. And used Big Ben and either Kwame Brown or Jonas Jerebko as the bigs backed up by Charlie V and Kwame/Maxiell. No Will Bynum and no Chris Wilcox in the rotation.

I like the defensive ability + rebounding ability of that squad. Very scrappy unit. Their offensive unit would struggle offensively but a bench unit led by Ben Gordon + Charlie Villanueva would be the highest scoring bench in the league. It would help offset some of that loss. Still, a fair number of atrocious offensive nights but the number of ugly grind it out wins would be equal to it.

I'm very disappointed in the Pistons play this year. I had higher hopes for them. Partially ruined by injuries and partially ruined by a Head Coach who's lost his way through the chaos (talented coaching prospect though, I still like him a lot).

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2010, 07:00:19 PM »

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Do we mean our team vs the real NBA team?

Pistons

Stuckey
Bargnni
Camby
Terry
Felton

I think they'd give the Pistons a game.

Yeah, its against the Real NBA. I think your front court is better Redz, I'm just not wild about a back court of Stuckey/Felton/Terry. Who plays SF?

hmm, yeh, Stuckey's a bit of a stretch at SF...I think I'm looking at an old fashioned GS 3 guard offense...
I prefer the actual Pistons. I think they have a pretty solid team if they used a three man backcourt rotation of Stuckey + Rip + Gordon. Then used Prince + Jerebko/Daye at SF. And used Big Ben and either Kwame Brown or Jonas Jerebko as the bigs backed up by Charlie V and Kwame/Maxiell. No Will Bynum and no Chris Wilcox in the rotation.

I like the defensive ability + rebounding ability of that squad. Very scrappy unit. Their offensive unit would struggle offensively but a bench unit led by Ben Gordon + Charlie Villanueva would be the highest scoring bench in the league. It would help offset some of that loss. Still, a fair number of atrocious offensive nights but the number of ugly grind it out wins would be equal to it.

I'm very disappointed in the Pistons play this year. I had higher hopes for them. Partially ruined by injuries and partially ruined by a Head Coach who's lost his way through the chaos (talented coaching prospect though, I still like him a lot).

I've been following the Pistons a bit this season as well, and couldn't agree more.

Keuster has too many players to work into the rotation, whereas the best 8 (Stuck, Rip, Tay, Maxiell, Wallace, Gordon, CV, Jerebko) haven't all been healthy at the same time.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2010, 07:14:49 PM »

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I think so so far

PG: Ty Lawson vs Chris Duhon
SG: Ray Allen vs Danilo Gallinari
SF: Ron Artest vs Wilson Chandler
PF: Zach Randolph vs Jared Jeffries
C: David Lee vs David Lee

Lawson doesn't have quite the pro experience Duhon has but has vast potential as in 22 MPG he already outscores and outrebounds Duhon who plays 9 minutes more per game and is an all around better shooter and is a born leader

Very little Lawson doesn't do exceptionally well

Ray is better than Gallinari short term and expires leaving lots of cap space for LeBron

Artest and Chandler are probably a wash but Artest has so much big game experience that come playoffs Artest would be the more valuable player

Randolph is tons better than Jeffries

Lee is Lee
Any thoughts on the Knicks Mr. Who

You seem extremely knowledgable and I would value your opinion
I don't know what to make of that team. On a position by position basis the team has improved across the board and is a constant at center.

I don't really know what to make of the team. The squad is probably slightly better but it's a highly combustible mix.

The mix makes me edgy though -- (1) the defensive combination of Zach Randolph + David Lee (2) two possible ball stoppers in Artest and Randolph, both of whom are the least efficient offensive players in the team (3) the reliability of Randolph's performances. He's having a career season but can he keep it up? (4) Does Lee get as many touches with Zach, Lawson, Artest and Ray around?

The Knicks would also drop off in their transition defense (mainly Jeffries to Randolph) by a small margin, pick and roll defense (again Randolph) by a large margin, and ability to switch constantly on the defensive end due to Ty Lawson's short stature and Randolph's lack of quickness. Their current defensive quality in those areas are the main reasons (along with creating turnovers which should remain constant or see a slight improvement) why NY ranks 20th in defensive efficiency instead of 27th-30th and why they rank amongst the league leaders in defensive 3FG%.

I love the Ty Lawson pickup. He'd be an excellent fit in D'Antoni's offense and he'd do a lot of good things with 30+ minutes a night. He'd be first team All-Rookie if he was getting that type of playing time.

Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2010, 07:44:57 PM »

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Delonte West
Brandon Roy
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
LaMarcus Aldridge
Shaq

Is this Portland team better than the Blazers would be if they were totally healthy?  Maybe not.  Are they better than the Blazers have been this year?  You better believe it.

Shaq and LMA compliment each other well (one's a post guy, the other is good from mid-range), as do Delonte and Roy.  Delonte is an especially good fit to play alongside Roy because he can defend the 1 but can play well without the ball like a 2; in that sense he's a much better fit than Andre Miller.  He's a more well rounded offensive player than Steve Blake, and a much better defender.

Mbah a Moute makes most of his impact on the defensive end, but is also a good rebounder and has a decent (and gradually developing) mid-range jumpshot, with signs that he will eventually be a credible threat from deep.

With a solid bench, this team could be a strong playoff team, if not a contender - assuming Shaq stays healthy.  Will need a good backup center, however, to allow Shaq to play limited minutes.
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Re: Is Your Pick Two Team Better than When it Started?
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2010, 07:45:12 PM »

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I believe so. I know that Michael and Jermaine have injury issues, but Michael is one of the top 5 SG's when healthy and Jermaine is an absolute beast when he is healthy. Jermaine's play last year helped Miami get to the 2nd round. He is averaging nearly about a block and a half a game.

We added speed and versatility in Ariza. He is known more for his defense than his scoring. His contract was a good pickup, too.

Michael was a steep buy, but when he is healthy he is worth every penny.