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Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« on: January 29, 2010, 11:02:46 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 11:07:42 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

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Re: Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 11:11:23 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

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Re: Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 11:17:41 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.



I agree Doc managed a lousy game against the Hawks tonight. But let's not get carried away. The championship team had more talent. And Perk is the same player he was three years ago. People act like Perk is some great center. He's mediocre.

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 11:19:48 PM »

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Re: Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2010, 11:25:08 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

And if Doc had put the starters back in, you would have been on him for playing them too many minutes.

When the team is playing poorly, the coach is the scapegoat, whether he can do something about it or not.  I honestly just don't think there's any minute managing that would help this team right now - they just need to get healthy and play through this.

The bench really does need to start performing, too.

Re: Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 11:14:43 AM »

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Doc hasn't ever been a great coach...look at what he did before kg and ray came here....nothing..!  He didn't try to develop any players that were on the team, he let paul just play paul ball, which means, just give paul the ball, then watch. Develop the young players, then at least showcase them for trade bait....what does he do...play scal...instead of sheldon...people say scal "spreads the floor" hahahha, he might, if anyone ever covered him in his little corner..! Where would sheldon be at that same time...underneath predicting where that rock is gonna roll after scal heaves it......sheldon would clean up the glass, and that is who we need..look how fast cleve grabbed up leon when he was HURT....! That coach knows what doc doesn't....doc CAN draw up a good play in a minute, but he cannot coach and adjust a whole game...and no, the championship has to do with kg and ray and pp....and all the rest of the team, under kg's direction, who was yelling at bbd to get it together and made him cry...doc....no kg...what did the team do while kg was gone off the bench hurt....play no D and show my point...lost without him, kg runs this team and the players listen, doc just doesn't have the capacity, see him with his head in his hands last night...did you seee him ever come up with an answer for a hot shooting guard, no...never an answer.....at least he started calling time outs to stop the run against us...! Marquis and TA should help with needed slashing = layups..which we do not have, then the outside game will work better, especially because TA follows all the shots...which is what bbd should do...!

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 11:25:34 AM »

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While many of the critcisms of Doc above are legit, let's remember that this is a player's game.  You can't coach intestinal fortitude to guys making millions a year.

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 11:28:44 AM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.



And Perk is the same player he was three years ago. People act like Perk is some great center. He's mediocre.

Perk's no All-Star but that...is just plain not true.
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Re: Doc dropped the ball, Time to Step up Coach
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 11:51:07 AM »

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Well, i would say perk is actually playing wayyyy better than ever before, his offense is at times great....his D is okay...he still gets pulled into bad places.....if that is vague enough..

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Perk is my guy....yeah his game can be a lil ugly, but he's smart, tough, and has a lotta upside. I expect him to only improve.  And doc shoulda put a hit on those opposing point guards...rough em up...Get a Tpoint from heinsohn for scaring the crap out of em for coming to da hole like he scared the sh.t outta tanquay when he threatened to scalp em during play by play  :o---can't shoot when ya hand hurt.

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 12:09:19 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

Sheed kept the floor spaced for Paul to drive and it worked.  We'd run that little 1/3 screen to get Crawford on Pierce and the bigs couldn't double down with Sheed on the perimeter.

Unfortunately, nobody but Pierce could hit shots, while the Hawks were getting ridiculously hot shooting from Johnson and Crawford.

Now Sheed was definitely a part of the nobody hitting shots, missing wide-open Js at crucial times, but it's not as if Perk would have helped us there.  Nor would he have helped on Joe Johnson's assortment of contested step-backs and leaners and Crawford's deep shooting.

Last nights 4th quarter was the result of ugly but effective offense beating good defense.
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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.



I agree Doc managed a lousy game against the Hawks tonight. But let's not get carried away. The championship team had more talent. And Perk is the same player he was three years ago. People act like Perk is some great center. He's mediocre.

Perk is one of the best defensive Center's in the league, and he's becoming a respectable offensive player as well (leading the league in FG%)

In 07-08 Perk had 5 double doubles.
In 08-09 Perk had 12 double doubles.
at the halfway point of 09-10 he already has 12

Lets also note that right now he has 518 points, he had 542 in 07-08.

Yet he's the same player... i wish i could subtract 10 TP's

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 12:24:38 PM »

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

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Tibbs is a great defensive Coach. C Ray is a great big man coach and Doc is great at those pays out of a time out. Doc has built cohesion in this group and loyalty by adhering to the pecking order and working with guys on the floor. That stability can be easily undermined by injuries and predictability. Guys get too comfortable. You need to maintain an edge and hold people accountable. Take away Doc's binky and make him mix it up.

He does not like change; but this team needs to change if it is to compete now and in the future.

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You can always bet on Doc mismanaging the game. When starters are playing well, he plays the bench too long. And when the bench are providing a spark, he plays starters 40+min. You don't necessary need to make a trade to fix problems. You need better game management. Ainge gave Doc a better team than the 08 team. 3HOF and former franchise players, Rondo is an allstar, Perk is the best Celtics Center in decades. Doc needs to channel his inner Popovich and start managing the team instead of letting players managing themselves. And hold them accountable.

And if Doc had put the starters back in, you would have been on him for playing them too many minutes.

When the team is playing poorly, the coach is the scapegoat, whether he can do something about it or not.  I honestly just don't think there's any minute managing that would help this team right now - they just need to get healthy and play through this.

The bench really does need to start performing, too.

TP for taking the words right out of my mouth.

How many threads have we seen this season that the starters are playing too many minutes? I'm relatively sure last night that Doc's gut was telling him to keep playing the starters but he had to let them rest.

Those extra minutes aren't just going to disappear - the starters either have to log them or the bench takes over (even when they struggle mightily like the did last night). And I do think the bench ultimately lost us the game last night, but what can you do? Play the starters the entire 2nd half? I can imagine all the threads that would've sprung up calling for Doc's head on a platter - win or lose.
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