If the Suns trade Amare , will that start a Suns fire sale? ( Grant Hill)

[rondohondo]

After starting the season great the suns are really struggling right now.  They are currently 7th in the west at 26 - 20. If they trade Amare at the deadline it would be pretty pointless to keep that team together. My thinking here is that Grant Hill could soon become available. They already have their SF of the future with Dudley. So something like this might get it done.


Bos sends : Walker & Giddens or TA

Pho sends : Grant Hill


Hill would be a perfect fit to round out the bench. He could take over the backup PG position and move Daniels to full time backup SF for PP. 

For Pho they get 2 very young athletic wings that might thrive in PHO run and gun offense. Bill Walker may not be able to play D , but that's no problem for the suns since they don't play D anyways. He would however make a great finisher with Nsh on the fast break.


I would replace Giddens or Walker with TA if that's what it takes to get the deal done.


What do you guys think? Will Grant Hill be available soon?

[PosImpos]

I'd like to get Grant Hill.  I suppose it's not that unreasonable either, given his age, that they'd trade him.  I'd definitely trade Walker + Giddens for him, and wouldn't mind trading TA for him, either.

On the other hand, Grant's salary isn't exactly huge and I think he's an expiring anyway, unless they signed a guy who's 37 to a multi-year contract.  So unless the Suns really think they can get something out of Billy, Giddens, and TA that we haven't been able to these last couple of years, I don't know why they'd do it.

[rondohondo]

I'd like to get Grant Hill.  I suppose it's not that unreasonable either, given his age, that they'd trade him.  I'd definitely trade Walker + Giddens for him, and wouldn't mind trading TA for him, either.

On the other hand, Grant's salary isn't exactly huge and I think he's an expiring anyway, unless they signed a guy who's 37 to a multi-year contract.  So unless the Suns really think they can get something out of Billy, Giddens, and TA that we haven't been able to these last couple of years, I don't know why they'd do it.

Grant Hill has a player option next year for 3.2 Mil. This is likely the last contract he gets so you have to believe he will pick up that option next year. Hopefully the Suns will accept expiring young talent for him

[rondohondo]

The suns just lost again tonight putting their record to 26 - 21 in 7th place only a half game ahead of teams like Hou , OKC & Memphis. Hopefully the realize soon that they have no shot at winning anyhting in the playoffs(if they even make it) and see that keeping a 37 yr old Grant Hill who has a player option for next year would be pretty pointless. They should be trying to get some prospects for Hill in the next few weeks if they are smart.

[BASS_THUMPER]

i like hill..many bright spots but not enuff sunshine...like hondo said may make playoffs but wont last long...

hill cant produce every nite..what is his worth else where..he still playin better ball than weber round this stage as a balla..

[Slugger]

I'd like to get Grant Hill.  I suppose it's not that unreasonable either, given his age, that they'd trade him.  I'd definitely trade Walker + Giddens for him, and wouldn't mind trading TA for him, either.

On the other hand, Grant's salary isn't exactly huge and I think he's an expiring anyway, unless they signed a guy who's 37 to a multi-year contract.  So unless the Suns really think they can get something out of Billy, Giddens, and TA that we haven't been able to these last couple of years, I don't know why they'd do it.

Grant Hill has a player option next year for 3.2 Mil. This is likely the last contract he gets so you have to believe he will pick up that option next year. Hopefully the Suns will accept expiring young talent for him

They'll find the young in Boston, but not the talent.

Unless the Suns can get a good youngin on a rookie contract (e.g Ty Lawson calibre), they arent trading G Hill - whether or not they blow up the team.

[scoop]

No, why would they?

They'll find the young in Boston, but not the talent.

Unless the Suns can get a good youngin on a rookie contract (e.g Ty Lawson calibre), they arent trading G Hill - whether or not they blow up the team.

Agreed.

[pearljammer10]

Walker and Giddens for Hill?...No...
Maybe working a package of TA and Scal around Hill and another player to make the numbers work. But Hill is a skilled played and they will want better expirings if so... Even if they trade Amare, I dont think that means they will be "blowing it up" per say. They still can compete in the last half of the Western playoff scene.

[wdleehi]

Walker and Giddens for Hill?...No...
Maybe working a package of TA and Scal around Hill and another player to make the numbers work. But Hill is a skilled played and they will want better expirings if so... Even if they trade Amare, I dont think that means they will be "blowing it up" per say. They still can compete in the last half of the Western playoff scene.

They might if they don't want Hill back next year. 


I would be all for the trade.

[Fafnir]

Walker and Giddens for Hill?...No...
Maybe working a package of TA and Scal around Hill and another player to make the numbers work. But Hill is a skilled played and they will want better expirings if so... Even if they trade Amare, I dont think that means they will be "blowing it up" per say. They still can compete in the last half of the Western playoff scene.

They might if they don't want Hill back next year. 


I would be all for the trade.

Hill recently hurt his heel, I haven't heard if it is serious.

The only way they do the deal is if we throw in a pick and some cash.

[PLamb]

Regarding what Phoenix is willing to take back in trades this is what Chris Sheridan had to say yesterday:

Regarding trading Amare:

Here's the thing when talking about proposed Suns trades: They've shown that they'll take pennies on the dollar for their assets, so no one is going to initially offer them much more than cap relief and either a low first-round pick or a borderline youngster.

Like I said in my previous answer, when dealing with the Suns, you really can't lowball them enough. You'll recall they traded Shaq for nothing, nada, zip, zilch of value (other than a bigger stack of Benjamins in Bob Sarver's bank account).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30476/nba-with-chris-sheridan

So if this is true, and given what they got for Rondo in a trade, Shaq in a trade, other first round draft picks in a trade, and others I would have to think it is true, trading Celtic garbage for actual good players might be a viable option with Phoenix and shouldn't be poo-poo-ed simply because the talents don't match up

[Fafnir]

Regarding what Phoenix is willing to take back in trades this is what Chris Sheridan had to say yesterday:

Regarding trading Amare:

Here's the thing when talking about proposed Suns trades: They've shown that they'll take pennies on the dollar for their assets, so no one is going to initially offer them much more than cap relief and either a low first-round pick or a borderline youngster.

Like I said in my previous answer, when dealing with the Suns, you really can't lowball them enough. You'll recall they traded Shaq for nothing, nada, zip, zilch of value (other than a bigger stack of Benjamins in Bob Sarver's bank account).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30476/nba-with-chris-sheridan

So if this is true, and given what they got for Rondo in a trade, Shaq in a trade, other first round draft picks in a trade, and others I would have to think it is true, trading Celtic garbage for actual good players might be a viable option with Phoenix and shouldn't be poo-poo-ed simply because the talents don't match up

They didn't trade Rondo, they traded the pick. To say they didn't get anything back is silly, teams swap or sell first round picks all the time. Most of the picks they sold haven't turned out to be amazing players. If they'd kept the pick they wouldn't have taken Rondo because he can't shoot.

Same thing with the Shaq trade, he's showing his age and that he's not worth $20 million on your payroll. That was a great move to dump his contract.

The deals that really show how the Sun's ownership has screwed them are the Kurt Thomas trade and Joe Johnson trade.

[PLamb]

Regarding what Phoenix is willing to take back in trades this is what Chris Sheridan had to say yesterday:

Regarding trading Amare:

Here's the thing when talking about proposed Suns trades: They've shown that they'll take pennies on the dollar for their assets, so no one is going to initially offer them much more than cap relief and either a low first-round pick or a borderline youngster.

Like I said in my previous answer, when dealing with the Suns, you really can't lowball them enough. You'll recall they traded Shaq for nothing, nada, zip, zilch of value (other than a bigger stack of Benjamins in Bob Sarver's bank account).

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30476/nba-with-chris-sheridan

So if this is true, and given what they got for Rondo in a trade, Shaq in a trade, other first round draft picks in a trade, and others I would have to think it is true, trading Celtic garbage for actual good players might be a viable option with Phoenix and shouldn't be poo-poo-ed simply because the talents don't match up

They didn't trade Rondo, they traded the pick. To say they didn't get anything back is silly, teams swap or sell first round picks all the time. Most of the picks they sold haven't turned out to be amazing players. If they'd kept the pick they wouldn't have taken Rondo because he can't shoot.

Same thing with the Shaq trade, he's showing his age and that he's not worth $20 million on your payroll. That was a great move to dump his contract.

The deals that really show how the Sun's ownership has screwed them are the Kurt Thomas trade and Joe Johnson trade.

Nitpicking so I'll nitpick back

No they traded Rondo

They traded Rondo's rights for cash considerations after making the pick for the Celtics

Also, it's pretty hard to say who they would or would not have picked in those picks or to put value on the intelligence of just selling a first round pick because as the Rondo pick showed those players can turn into something huge

The original concept is still true though

Phoenix can be lowballed on talent for money considerations

[Fafnir]

Nitpicking so I'll nitpick back

No they traded Rondo

They traded Rondo's rights for cash considerations after making the pick for the Celtics

They drafted Rondo per the Celtics instructions, you know that. They also didn't trade him for cash considerations, they traded him for Brian Grant and a 2007 first round pick.

The original concept is still true though

Phoenix can be lowballed on talent for money considerations

Correct. But the trades you highlighted weren't the worst ones they made, that was my point.

[Bankshot]

Any way we can get Jared Dudley?