A bridge to the future

[CoachBo]

I've remained mostly silent throughout this club's stunning descent over the last month, fueled by injuries and fueled by a puzzling lack of focus and intensity in key situation.

There are other posts on here that hint at my point, but I'm going to roll this out there right now: After another effort that's more like the pre-Garnett Celtics than the post, it is - in my opinion - time for Danny to begin actively pursuing deals for a bridge to the Celtics' future: a younger star.

I'll let you decide and debate who that star is; I've got my opinions on possibilities.

But I'll say this: In the pursuit of that bridge, there are very few players on the Celtics' roster who I'd consider off the table. We have assets - in contracts and in talent - to make such a move. It will take a bold attitude and a willingness to rattle the fan base, I suspect, to get anything meaningful done. I'll leave it at that.

[Drucci]

So, we should break our core for a repeated lack of intensity and effort when we still have plenty of talent and almost all the pieces needed to win the championship this season?

[KungPoweChicken]

I've remained mostly silent throughout this club's stunning descent over the last month, fueled by injuries and fueled by a puzzling lack of focus and intensity in key situation.

There are other posts on here that hint at my point, but I'm going to roll this out there right now: After another effort that's more like the pre-Garnett Celtics than the post, it is - in my opinion - time for Danny to begin actively pursuing deals for a bridge to the Celtics' future: a younger star.

I'll let you decide and debate who that star is; I've got my opinions on possibilities.

But I'll say this: In the pursuit of that bridge, there are very few players on the Celtics' roster who I'd consider off the table. We have assets - in contracts and in talent - to make such a move. It will take a bold attitude and a willingness to rattle the fan base, I suspect, to get anything meaningful done. I'll leave it at that.

The thing is this: We actually don't have any real assets. Sure, Rondo could bring in some talent, but he's not going anywhere; he is the future. I'd be fine with parting with Perk, especially if he can bring in a fringe All-Star (but how realistic is that?)

Out of Pierce, Allen, and Garnett, Allen is the only real asset we have. I don't see any team that would have interest in Pierce. Any interested team would have to be a contender, and contenders wouldn't have the young pieces we would want, nor would they have the salary to match.

Now when I read your post, I got the impression that you're ready to blow things up. I'm down with that if KG is done for the year. But, if he will be able to play come playoff time, I don't really see the point.

The only guy we can deal is Ray Allen. And, depending on what kind of talent he can bring in, I'm cool with that.

Maybe I'm not creative enough. But I really don't see "all the possibilities." I see a franchise that is, more or less, trapped for this season, except for the remote possibility of trading Ray.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'm not saying I would do this trade. But since this thread is about ideas, I'm going to throw this out.


Ray
Rondo
Scal

for

Iguodala
Dalembert
Holiday
2010 future 1st round pick

[wdleehi]

If the Celtics can both keep their title hopes as high as they are now for this season and improve the long term chances of the this team, any and all players are tradeable. 

[KungPoweChicken]

If the Celtics can both keep their title hopes as high as they are now for this season and improve the long term chances of the this team, any and all players are tradeable. 

Obviously. But that's a big if.

[Who]

I think Rondo has more value as a player than as a trade asset ... and is thus a poor option to move in a trade.

Ditto for Perkins.

[Who]

There are other posts on here that hint at my point, but I'm going to roll this out there right now: After another effort that's more like the pre-Garnett Celtics than the post, it is - in my opinion - time for Danny to begin actively pursuing deals for a bridge to the Celtics' future: a younger star.

I'll let you decide and debate who that star is; I've got my opinions on possibilities.

Who is on your shortlist?

[wdleehi]

There are other posts on here that hint at my point, but I'm going to roll this out there right now: After another effort that's more like the pre-Garnett Celtics than the post, it is - in my opinion - time for Danny to begin actively pursuing deals for a bridge to the Celtics' future: a younger star.

I'll let you decide and debate who that star is; I've got my opinions on possibilities.

Who is on your shortlist?

I think when we think about this, we have a disconnect on who is actually available and what it would take to get them. 

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not saying I would do this trade. But since this thread is about ideas, I'm going to throw this out.


Ray
Rondo
Scal

for

Iguodala
Dalembert
Holiday
2010 future 1st round pick

I'm not a fan of this one at all.  For comparison sake, Philly was discussing moving Iggy and Dalembert for just Tracy McGrady.  I see no reason to include Rondo, who is the best player in the deal.

Ray + Scal for Iguodala and Dalembert may be something that Philly would agree to.  We'd definitely come out ahead in terms of talent, but I'm not sure that Iggy is a great fit here, without getting a floor spacer to take Ray's place.

[PosImpos]

I'm not saying I would do this trade. But since this thread is about ideas, I'm going to throw this out.


Ray
Rondo
Scal

for

Iguodala
Dalembert
Holiday
2010 future 1st round pick

I'm not a fan of this one at all.  For comparison sake, Philly was discussing moving Iggy and Dalembert for just Tracy McGrady.  I see no reason to include Rondo, who is the best player in the deal.

Ray + Scal for Iguodala and Dalembert may be something that Philly would agree to.  We'd definitely come out ahead in terms of talent, but I'm not sure that Iggy is a great fit here, without getting a floor spacer to take Ray's place.

Andre Iguodala is more than talented enough to make up for the shooting difference.  I doubt Philly would pull the trigger on that though...I guess if they are really desperate financially, maybe.  Getting AI would almost make paying Dalembert worth it.

We should not trade Rondo, period.  But trading Ray and getting an All-Star caliber player who is young and very athletic in return...you'd have to think very hard about that.  Even if it would cost us a lot of money.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'm not saying I would do this trade. But since this thread is about ideas, I'm going to throw this out.


Ray
Rondo
Scal

for

Iguodala
Dalembert
Holiday
2010 future 1st round pick

I'm not a fan of this one at all.  For comparison sake, Philly was discussing moving Iggy and Dalembert for just Tracy McGrady.  I see no reason to include Rondo, who is the best player in the deal.

Ray + Scal for Iguodala and Dalembert may be something that Philly would agree to.  We'd definitely come out ahead in terms of talent, but I'm not sure that Iggy is a great fit here, without getting a floor spacer to take Ray's place.

Andre Iguodala is more than talented enough to make up for the shooting difference.  I doubt Philly would pull the trigger on that though...I guess if they are really desperate financially, maybe.  Getting AI would almost make paying Dalembert worth it.

The Sixers are regretting Iguodala's contract, as they see him as a 2nd or 3rd option, rather than a star.  He doesn't fit next to Brand, and he doesn't really fit next to a primary ball-handler, either.  The team isn't enamored with his decision making or inconsistency, either.

Ownership in Philly is strongly considering blowing their team up, and since they can't move Brand, Iggy may be the one to go.  He might arguably be worth more than expiring contracts (although that's not what the rumors suggest), but there's no way he's in Rondo's vicinity.

[PosImpos]

I'm not saying I would do this trade. But since this thread is about ideas, I'm going to throw this out.


Ray
Rondo
Scal

for

Iguodala
Dalembert
Holiday
2010 future 1st round pick

I'm not a fan of this one at all.  For comparison sake, Philly was discussing moving Iggy and Dalembert for just Tracy McGrady.  I see no reason to include Rondo, who is the best player in the deal.

Ray + Scal for Iguodala and Dalembert may be something that Philly would agree to.  We'd definitely come out ahead in terms of talent, but I'm not sure that Iggy is a great fit here, without getting a floor spacer to take Ray's place.

Andre Iguodala is more than talented enough to make up for the shooting difference.  I doubt Philly would pull the trigger on that though...I guess if they are really desperate financially, maybe.  Getting AI would almost make paying Dalembert worth it.

The Sixers are regretting Iguodala's contract, as they see him as a 2nd or 3rd option, rather than a star.  He doesn't fit next to Brand, and he doesn't really fit next to a primary ball-handler, either.  The team isn't enamored with his decision making or inconsistency, either.

Ownership in Philly is strongly considering blowing their team up, and since they can't move Brand, Iggy may be the one to go.  He might arguably be worth more than expiring contracts (although that's not what the rumors suggest), but there's no way he's in Rondo's vicinity.

Agreed.  I would never trade Rondo for Iggy.  I see them as similarly talented, but Rondo is our most valuable player.

If we could trade Ray for Iggy, essentially, I'd do it.  Without even thinking about it, honestly.  Talk about chemistry and the clutch shots if you want, but talent talks, and at this point in his career Iggy is flat out better than Ray Allen.  I think he'd be perfect for this team - he's everything we lack.  Athleticism, speed, defense, strength, health, etc.

[Neurotic Guy]

As previously stated, 'blow up' is only on the table if DA knows something we don't about KG.  

I think it would difficult to debate that this team, if healthy, is a contender this year.  If DA sees this team as being able to win playoff series v. Atlanta, Orlando, Cleveland and LA, then it's silly to even consider a 'bridge' trade.  If DA is thinking that we are no longer able to compete at that level, then he should take the plunge.  Obviously, it's Ray that would get the ball rolling, and next moves would depend on what we get in return for Ray.  But, boy would that be heartbreaking.

[Chris]

I've remained mostly silent throughout this club's stunning descent over the last month, fueled by injuries and fueled by a puzzling lack of focus and intensity in key situation.

There are other posts on here that hint at my point, but I'm going to roll this out there right now: After another effort that's more like the pre-Garnett Celtics than the post, it is - in my opinion - time for Danny to begin actively pursuing deals for a bridge to the Celtics' future: a younger star.

I'll let you decide and debate who that star is; I've got my opinions on possibilities.

But I'll say this: In the pursuit of that bridge, there are very few players on the Celtics' roster who I'd consider off the table. We have assets - in contracts and in talent - to make such a move. It will take a bold attitude and a willingness to rattle the fan base, I suspect, to get anything meaningful done. I'll leave it at that.

I think Danny needs to keep his eyes open for these deals.  However, I am not confident the deals that would make it worthwhile to give up someone like Ray are out there.