It looks like the Tebows will be in a Super Bowl ad

[Eja117]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4832500

Say what you want ....Tebow is like my new hero.  There I said it. 

[indeedproceed]

Gross.

[Fafnir]

Gross.

Seconded....

[Roy Hobbs]

I think the Super Bowl should keep political messages out of the advertisements.  I don't have a problem with the message (and certainly wouldn't call it gross), but I don't think it's an area that the SB should get involved in.

(Please don't take this as an invitation to discuss choice / life issues.)

[Fafnir]

I think the Super Bowl should keep political messages out of the advertisements.  I don't have a problem with the message (and certainly wouldn't call it gross), but I don't think it's an area that the SB should get involved in.

(Please don't take this as an invitation to discuss choice / life issues.)

My reaction is due to my desire to have Tim Tebow to stop being shoved down my throat, rather than the message. Too many articles/profiles and too many game announcers gushing over him have overwhelmed my tolerance.

I look forward to him becoming a moderate at best NFL player who I won't hear about all the time.

I would prefer it if the SB didn't become overwhelmed with political ads, but I don't think that'll happen.

[Eja117]

I don't see how this is a "political ad" yet. We haven't seen it yet. Maybe if he asks people to vote a certain way it will be.

At 2.8mill an ad it'll be interesting to see what will happen.

I'd rather have Tebow shoved down people's throats than Peyton Manning.  What does Peyton Manning stand for? Money? Winning one whole Super Bowl?

What does MJ stand for? Gambling and cheating on his wife? Or Shaq? Or Kobe? Or Lebron? All those years we had those roids users being shoved at us and Tiger?

It's about time we had a Tebow shoved down our throats.

[Fafnir]

I don't see how this is a "political ad" yet. We haven't seen it yet. Maybe if he asks people to vote a certain way it will be.

It is an ad designed to sway opinions on a political issue, that is the definition of a political ad.

[Eja117]

Why does it have to be a political issue? What is political about "celebrate family" or "celebrate life"?

What's political about "strengthening families by empowering them with the tools they need to live lives rooted in morals and values."

It sounds far more religious than political to me.

Just because each political party tends to usually be on one side or the other of what we think the message will be doesn't actually make it a political issue.

Is slavery a political issue because northern republicans used to be against it and democrat southerners used to be for it? Of course not. It wasn't a political issue then and it's not now. This is just an issue that comes up in politics.

Correlation, but not causation

[Fafnir]

The article makes it pretty clear that the ad is in large part about abortion, that makes it a political ad.

And it has nothing to do with the party system in America, its just a political issue. Just like Slavery absolutely was a political issue, just like segregation and woman's suffrage were. Politics have a moral dimension.

[Eja117]

The article makes it pretty clear that the ad is in large part about abortion, that makes it a political ad.

And it has nothing to do with the party system in America, its just a political issue. Just like Slavery absolutely was a political issue, just like segregation and woman's suffrage were. Politics have a moral dimension.

Well I guess at this point we're just arguing semantics.

It seems like you're saying any moral issue is a political issue because politics has a moral dimension.

I just think when you take say an MLK...the guy wasn't reaching out to people's political beliefs...he was just reaching out to people to be better people to other people. That's not political.  Now if he had said "and therefore you need to vote for so and so" then it becomes political. 

We'll see what happens I guess.

[Fafnir]

The article makes it pretty clear that the ad is in large part about abortion, that makes it a political ad.

And it has nothing to do with the party system in America, its just a political issue. Just like Slavery absolutely was a political issue, just like segregation and woman's suffrage were. Politics have a moral dimension.

Well I guess at this point we're just arguing semantics.

It seems like you're saying any moral issue is a political issue because politics has a moral dimension.

I just think when you take say an MLK...the guy wasn't reaching out to people's political beliefs...he was just reaching out to people to be better people to other people. That's not political.  Now if he had said "and therefore you need to vote for so and so" then it becomes political. 

We'll see what happens I guess.

No its not semantics. I'm saying that just because something is a moral issue for many people, doesn't mean its not also a political one.

Our elected officials argue about it all the time, they vote on it all the time, and they make campaign promises on it. Voters also support and don't support candidates based on their views of it. That makes it a political issue, its silly to think otherwise.

Also MLK absolutely was a political figure and he was trying to change peoples political views. Do you think he wasn't fighting for political equality?

[Roy Hobbs]

That makes it a political issue, its silly to think otherwise.

Since right to life is a pillar of the Republican platform, and freedom of choice is a big part of the Democratic agenda (including it being a litmus test for judicial nominees), I think it's clearly a political issue.  That doesn't mean only Republicans believe one way, and Democrats another, but it's political at it's core.

And that being the case, I don't want it mixed with my football.

[Fafnir]

That makes it a political issue, its silly to think otherwise.

Since right to life is a pillar of the Republican platform, and freedom of choice is a big part of the Democratic agenda (including it being a litmus test for judicial nominees), I think it's clearly a political issue.  That doesn't mean only Republicans believe one way, and Democrats another, but it's political at it's core.

And that being the case, I don't want it mixed with my football.

Agreed and TPed. I'd prefer to not have an awkward moment or argument at a Superbowl party. Odds are people aren't going to agree at whatever party I'm at.

[Eja117]

That makes it a political issue, its silly to think otherwise.

Since right to life is a pillar of the Republican platform, and freedom of choice is a big part of the Democratic agenda (including it being a litmus test for judicial nominees), I think it's clearly a political issue.  That doesn't mean only Republicans believe one way, and Democrats another, but it's political at it's core.

And that being the case, I don't want it mixed with my football.

That's a good point that Fafnir is making about it being an awkward Super Bowl party.

That aside should there also be no ads to try to save Haiti, because Rush said something about it the other day? That must make it a political issue right?

Can nobody try to get us to save the Earth or think green or something because it's too political?

Can nobody buy an ad asking us to be nice to each other and pay it forward or something because that's an Oprah thing and she's political now?

Can Obama not have an ad where he asks us to spend more time with our kids or read to them or something?

No support the troops ads?

You can look at all of these as political or just issues.  Politics free I can understand, but an issue free Super Bowl or Oscars I don't think is likely to actually ever happen

[screwedupmaniac]

If we want to, we can make everything political.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=399

The link lists alcohol tax income by the thousands per year. Now considering how many alcohol commercials are shoved down society's throat during the superbowl, and considering how many homes are destroyed and lives taken by alcohol (moral issue), and considering how much the government makes every year off a compulsive society fueled by the media (political issue), is it really all that different?

The way I see it, if Tebow want to spend $2.5 mil to share 30 seconds of his time and heart on a delicate matter such as abortion, he has every right to. For him and his family, the matter goes much deeper than a "political agenda"...it was the difference between life and death for him. I don't care what side of the aisle you're on with this issue, the kid has a right to speak.