Take back Posey???

[wiley]

I'd love to get Raja Bell for next season.....and Mike Miller (based mainly on the love from others...does he defend well?)

But I'm thinking about this year.  Getting Heinrich would be swell, but I don't think we'll be getting him....

So who is going to help us against Atlanta?  Who is going to help us against Rashard Lewis?  Who's going to help us against Cleveland and L.A.?  Only if both Sheed and KG are in tip top form physically can we win as currently structured....(possibly withouth Sheed but a real longshot)

I'd be more hesitant to say the above (and generally more hopeful) if we had Posey.

Forget the contract....He's tradeable in a package deal going forward.....Let's think about this year and this year only.

I'm also in favor of this because I think Celtics management/Doc is underestimating the fatigue factor with Ray and Paul....They are not the same players on tired legs that they used to be.....

Add in that Marquis health is not guaranteed.

And to what I said about Posey's future tradeability in a package deal, this will be more true if we win another championship with him off the bench at the 3 and/or 4.  Guys, we are an old team for the most part....insurance is not a dummy move.  (I hate that we're not winning it anyway if one of our big 3 are out argument....which underestimates the adversity other teams also face during rugged playoffs)

So my Celtics, if you are pondering Posey, don't be Belichekian circa 2009.  Grab the next title with fresh legs and depth!  (Collison ain't bad either) (Can stick with House until next year if so desired)

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If the Celtics did not want to swallow that price tag when he was a FA (and a better player), why would they swallow it now?

Man has this subject been covered a lot. Posey is half the player he was when the Cs turned him down. He is not coming to Boston in any trade that doesn't involve Chris Paul.

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So, how many combinations at PG + SG/SF are significantly superior to a Darren Collison + James Posey combination? And how likely are the Celtics to acquire one of those combinations via free agency?

And is it worth the risk of turning down a Collison + Posey deal if it were ever put on the table?

  Does Collison really do that much for us? Isn't he just going to back up Rondo?

Do you think the Celtics will spend their MLE next season?

I expect them to spend it again. After re-signing Ray Allen. Either on a wing player to replace Marquis Daniels or on a guard, or splitting it and trying to do both.

Financially, there isn't much of a difference between spending the MLE & change to fill the backup PG and wing spots and bringing back Posey + Collison in a trade. I think the value of having Collison's rookie contract reduces the burden of Posey's contract.

We're probably going to have to blow this thing up in a couple of years. So, I really don't see the downside of bringing back Pose.

The upside is he gives our bench a big boost and fills a role that is still open on a team where he knows the system and was quite successful.

I would love to get Pose back for the stretch run. I think he could really help us win another TItle....

[Fafnir]

So, how many combinations at PG + SG/SF are significantly superior to a Darren Collison + James Posey combination? And how likely are the Celtics to acquire one of those combinations via free agency?

And is it worth the risk of turning down a Collison + Posey deal if it were ever put on the table?

  Does Collison really do that much for us? Isn't he just going to back up Rondo?

Do you think the Celtics will spend their MLE next season?

I expect them to spend it again. After re-signing Ray Allen. Either on a wing player to replace Marquis Daniels or on a guard, or splitting it and trying to do both.

Financially, there isn't much of a difference between spending the MLE & change to fill the backup PG and wing spots and bringing back Posey + Collison in a trade. I think the value of having Collison's rookie contract reduces the burden of Posey's contract.

We're probably going to have to blow this thing up in a couple of years. So, I really don't see the downside of bringing back Pose.

The upside is he gives our bench a big boost and fills a role that is still open on a team where he knows the system and was quite successful.

I would love to get Pose back for the stretch run. I think he could really help us win another TItle....

I'd rather spend the MLE this coming offseason.

I don't like how Posey has been playing this year, he looks perilously close to being done.

[winsomme]

So, how many combinations at PG + SG/SF are significantly superior to a Darren Collison + James Posey combination? And how likely are the Celtics to acquire one of those combinations via free agency?

And is it worth the risk of turning down a Collison + Posey deal if it were ever put on the table?

  Does Collison really do that much for us? Isn't he just going to back up Rondo?

Do you think the Celtics will spend their MLE next season?

I expect them to spend it again. After re-signing Ray Allen. Either on a wing player to replace Marquis Daniels or on a guard, or splitting it and trying to do both.

Financially, there isn't much of a difference between spending the MLE & change to fill the backup PG and wing spots and bringing back Posey + Collison in a trade. I think the value of having Collison's rookie contract reduces the burden of Posey's contract.

We're probably going to have to blow this thing up in a couple of years. So, I really don't see the downside of bringing back Pose.

The upside is he gives our bench a big boost and fills a role that is still open on a team where he knows the system and was quite successful.

I would love to get Pose back for the stretch run. I think he could really help us win another TItle....

I'd rather spend the MLE this coming offseason.

I don't like how Posey has been playing this year, he looks perilously close to being done.

i hear you, but I'm more concerned with making the best possible run this season.

maybe we could get a younger wing for next season, but I would hate to come up short this season on what could be for next.

Plus, I think Pose has a couple years left in him and that is in keeping with the arc of this team as a whole.

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It's just not going to happen at this point.  As a fan, I'd like to see Posey back (even if his stats are way down), but I can't expect ownership to take on that contract.

Strangely, I'm not 100% sure I'd move Tony for Posey at this point, although I'm sure I could be persuaded.

[Fafnir]

Plus, I think Pose has a couple years left in him and that is in keeping with the arc of this team as a whole.

This is my main worry, he hasn't looked good at all when I've watched New Orleans play. Now that's only been 5 or 6 games this season (and none recently) but I can't shake that he just looked old.

[Fafnir]

It's just not going to happen at this point.  As a fan, I'd like to see Posey back (even if his stats are way down), but I can't expect ownership to take on that contract.

Strangely, I'm not 100% sure I'd move Tony for Posey at this point, although I'm sure I could be persuaded.

If it were just for the players I'd do it, though I really like Tony's athleticism at the wing when he's not turning it over too much.

But with Posey's awful contract, no way.

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I think, at least in this thread, there is an appreciation of the contract vs. talent ratio, and that nobody is giving anything away for free...so taking a bad contract with a sweetener--a realistic one--is the type of deal to consider.

Posey might not be the missing piece (channelling Shel Silverstein), but a prospect and/or pick plus serviceable but overpaid player is a realistic way to shore up the bench.  I'd probably take Gomes over Posey today if it were possible, though 'Sota probably isn't giving him up, since their salary situation isn't all that bad.

The TJ Ford/Brandon Rush idea might be better, since some folks seem pretty high on Rush, and Ford's contract blows for a backup.  At least it's shorter than Posey's.

I'm still not sure the Posey deal would be the best one out there, but it's viable, and I'd probably take it with a sweetener.

[Who]

After thinking about it some more ... I don't think it's the right move. 

Better to wait for free agency this summer while keeping an eye out for a better trade opportunity.

I'm just not confident enough in Posey's ability to defend his position. His play this season has been too poor to take a risk on him. I do love Darren Collison's game though, I wish we could get him or a player like him somehow.

[Drucci]

Plus, I think Pose has a couple years left in him and that is in keeping with the arc of this team as a whole.

This is my main worry, he hasn't looked good at all when I've watched New Orleans play. Now that's only been 5 or 6 games this season (and none recently) but I can't shake that he just looked old.

From what I've seen, Posey seemed more bored than old. He still is very focused on defense but he seems totally out of the offense... Whenever I see the Hornets play, I look at Posey on every possession. On defense he is still good, but he looks totally out of the offense, almost at a point where is standing behing the arc, watching what his teammates are going to do.

Against Indiana, Posey didn't touch the ball offensively or take a shot for like 10 minutes after he stepped on the court. He doesn't look an happy guy to me, and I think a comeback to Boston would reboost him.

He has probably declined a little bit too, but from what I've seen, his decline is more du to lack of interest/miscontent than age. His age decline would come in one or two years, while his contract would still be big, but that's a gamble I would take.

I agree that it would not be a good idea to kill our free agency opportunities this summer by taking Posey and his contract but our biggest chance of winning another championship is for this year, and getting Posey back would be a huge upgrade for this year (and also for the next one).

The future is just too uncertain for this team due to age and injuries. Plus we won't be the only team to be active in the free agency and we could very well lose our key "targets" to other contenders or teams willing to overpay them after failing at LeBron and friends.

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From what I've seen, Posey seemed more bored than old. He still is very focused on defense but he seems totally out of the offense...

Against Indiana, Posey didn't touch the ball offensively or take a shot for like 10 minutes after he stepped on the court. He doesn't look an happy guy to me, and I think a comeback to Boston would reboost him.

He has probably declined a little bit too, but from what I've seen, his decline is more du to lack of interest/miscontent than age. His age decline would come in one or two years, while his contract would still be big, but that's a gamble I would take.

I agree that it would not be a good idea to kill our free agency opportunities this summer by taking Posey and his contract but our biggest chance of winning another championship is for this year, and getting Posey back would be a huge upgrade for this year (and also for the next one).

The future is just too uncertain for this team due to age and injuries. Plus we won't be the only team to be active in the free agency and we could very well lose our key "targets" to other contenders or teams willing to overpay them after failing at LeBron and friends.

True, I think a team like ours needs to go 10 deep in the playoffs.  TA doesn't cut it, due to TO's and being too small to defend SF's, and many SG's that can shoot right over him.  I don't like him in a series against JJ, Vince, LeBra, Kobe, etc.  Lebron and VC could probably post him up, too, if they ever posted up...

We probably can't both use the MLE this summer AND trade expirings for anything, but the FA market is just so uncertain, I'd rather shore up the bench with needed guys now, and let the chips fall.  Orlando is looking pretty deep right now, and our injury situation is...well...we should add some playoff-caliber guys to the bench.  We've committed so much money already to win a title, I wouldn't worry about 2-3 years down the road too much, either.

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Just was reminded that Pose has a 10% trade kicker.  Since it would be pushing it as-is, the 10% is too much.  No way, not with Collison, picks, whatever.

Also just noticed that Mo' Pete has no kicker, one less year, and is paid slightly less, though...  Any gas in his tank?

[Fafnir]

Just was reminded that Pose has a 10% trade kicker.  Since it would be pushing it as-is, the 10% is too much.  No way, not with Collison, picks, whatever.

Also just noticed that Mo' Pete has no kicker, one less year, and is paid slightly less, though...  Any gas in his tank?

Not really, he's just bad.

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Plus, I think Pose has a couple years left in him and that is in keeping with the arc of this team as a whole.

This is my main worry, he hasn't looked good at all when I've watched New Orleans play. Now that's only been 5 or 6 games this season (and none recently) but I can't shake that he just looked old.

From what I've seen, Posey seemed more bored than old. He still is very focused on defense but he seems totally out of the offense... Whenever I see the Hornets play, I look at Posey on every possession. On defense he is still good, but he looks totally out of the offense, almost at a point where is standing behing the arc, watching what his teammates are going to do.

Against Indiana, Posey didn't touch the ball offensively or take a shot for like 10 minutes after he stepped on the court. He doesn't look an happy guy to me, and I think a comeback to Boston would reboost him.

He has probably declined a little bit too, but from what I've seen, his decline is more du to lack of interest/miscontent than age. His age decline would come in one or two years, while his contract would still be big, but that's a gamble I would take.

I agree that it would not be a good idea to kill our free agency opportunities this summer by taking Posey and his contract but our biggest chance of winning another championship is for this year, and getting Posey back would be a huge upgrade for this year (and also for the next one).

The future is just too uncertain for this team due to age and injuries. Plus we won't be the only team to be active in the free agency and we could very well lose our key "targets" to other contenders or teams willing to overpay them after failing at LeBron and friends.

tp for your good observation,i have felt the same way at some point of this season about him being left out and becoming disinterest although i have seen early in the season when CP3 and West wasn't really playing well,Pose kept them in games and actually hit a few big 3's to win a game here and there.I wonder how many games have some who claim he is to old have actually watched him play between last season and this season.Just because a player is on the wrong side of 30 doesn't always mean the worst.Your post hit it dead on (imo).