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The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« on: January 15, 2010, 12:22:31 AM »

Offline fanofgreen

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Some observations from tonight's game against the Bulls.

#1: This game tonight showed and made it so obvious that the Celtics need an ATHLETIC Big, another WING player, and they desperately need a backup POINT GUARD!!!!

Scal is just wasting a roster spot, I'm sorry I've been biting my tongue with not saying anything that bad about Scal, but he is just not cutting it, He's pretty much useless on this team right now. he doesn't/can't rebound,block shots,handle the ball, defend, score, create,shoot consistently,post-up. the only thing he does is stretch the floor, and can hit the occasional 3, but honestly, whens the last time he hit a contested 3? Almost anyone can hit an open 3.

#2 Rondo is playing way way way way too many minutes. No surprise here.

He is playing all of these minutes because he is the only TRUE ball handler on team.
He is playing all of these minutes because he is the only Real point guard on the team.
He is playing all of these minutes because he is the only player w/ athleticism in the rotation
     so he has to defend all of those quick guards like Derrick Rose, Monta Ellis, etc. b/c no one                else on the team can. On top of that he has to be the spark that jumpstarts the offense every single possession.

#3 Paul Pierce is playing too much coming off of a KNEE injury.

Pierce is clearly not 100%, and playing him these long minutes coming off of an injury is not smart. Especially a KNEE injury. But he has to play because we dont have any wings.(dont give me that JR/ Bill Walker excuses either., Doc and the staff sees those guys everyday in practice, so there's a reason).

#4 Ray Allen is not touching the ball enough.

He took 10 shots tonight. Without KG, without Sheed, I want Ray Allen taking at least 14-15 shots a game. There are too many stretches/possessions throughout the game, where Ray doesn't/didn't even touch the ball.
They are running Ray off of way to many screens right now. With KG and Sheed out, and Big Baby still not in shape, you cant run Ray off that many curl screens, because your setting the screens with Baby and Perk, Shelden and Scal, or Perk and Shel, etc. none of those guys are pick and pop players, so you lose that option,when Ray runs off those screens. and the Defense is sitting there waiting on Ray, forcing ray to come off those screens at a wider angle.

#5 Shot Clock

I dont remember the last time I saw a team have so many, near shot-clock violations. Rondo is starting to dribble the air out of the ball again. I'm not blaming the violations and near-violations on Rondo, but he always seems to have the ball when the clock is winding down. Which means the ball probably did not rotate to different sides of the court. Sometimes we are passing up shots, being too patient, or most of the time, just looking lost offensively.

#6 Paul Pierce's game

Paul Pierce needs to find away to  refine his offensive game. I think PP has got to look at pulling some new things out of his offensive bag of tricks.  I dont know what exactly, but he is becoming increasingly predictable. Yes he is still effective, and I'm not sayin he needs to re-create who he is or how he plays, but I think its about time he incorporates a new thing or two offensively. A few new moves or something.

#7 Ray Allen needs more touches

Yes i know I covered this already, but I think it needs repeating! Ray Allen needs more touches outside of him running off of screens!

#8 Celtics need to get and bring in 3 new guys by the trade deadline.

We need another point guard on the roster, we only have 1! what other team in the entire league has only 1 point guard on its roster? I cant think of one. I find that absolutely ridiculous

We need another wing. they said Marquis' wont be back until After the All-Star Break, and then he'll have to get back in shape, so he wont be fully healthy and back in shape, probably until March. So that means, we can expect Ray and Paul to continue log 35+ mins. for another month and some change.
Even When KG and Sheed get back in a couple of weeks, it still wont make a difference, bc those are bigs, and  we are still going to have zero depth at the wings.

We need an Athletic-Young Big, as I said before the only athletic players in the rotation is Rondo and Tony. We dont have any athletic bigs. We've got 2 of the least athletic players in the league in Baby and Scal, our Bigs are 3 guys with basically no above the rim (or at-the-rim for that matter) action in Scal, Baby, Shelden. and two 33+ year old guys who are having knee and foot injuries. So in summary, out of 6 possible BIG men on our roster, only 1 of them has any ounce of above the rim action. Perk is not really an above the rim player.

We need 3 new players by the trade deadline. pg, wing, big. We need to desperately get deeper and more athletic. AND we need to really get Ray, Paul and Rondo's minutes back down.

I dont want to wait until March to get Ray and Paul some relief on the wings
I dont want to wait until Rondo goes down w/ an injury b/c he's fatigued after playing too  many minutes.
I dont want to wait until KG comes back to bring athleticism to the front line.

We can't afford to let this rare opportunity, right before the deadline (to go after players to make this team deeper, in a season where certain franchises are making decisions purely  on the fact of this upcoming offseason, and shedding salary cap, etc.) slide by because we've grown to hard-headed and prideful.

By going after the 3 guys now, we can be assured that we'll have depth on the bench, until Daniels, KG, and Sheed are 100%. And at the worst, even when Marquis, KG, and Sheed come back, all that'll mean is we will be EXTRA Deep.
 Even when Marquis, KG, and Sheed come back, it still wont hurt to be extra deep.
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Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2010, 12:28:19 AM »

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They just played the back end of a back-to-back against a young, athletic team without our first backup guard, first backup big and our starting PF.  Relax.


Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 12:34:39 AM »

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They just played the back end of a back-to-back against a young, athletic team without our first backup guard, first backup big and our starting PF.  Relax.



Yes, but it was a BLOW OUT win against the NEW JERSEY NETS! not a lot of energy expended in the game. And many of the starters got a lot of rest bc it was a blowout. I mean Bill Walker got in the game.

I could understand if we were coming off a game against Cleveland, LA or the Spurs. But against the Nets?

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 12:34:47 AM »

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We don't have to change that much man... we're going to lose game like this all season long. all good teams do. Denver struggles wit Minnesota, so do we. Clippers beat us and they also beat the Lakers, but yet they lose to the Grizzlies? lol it happens. Long season, many unpredictable outcomes. My minor configure change is in my newest thread "What Will You Do As Celtics G.M. (for the rest of this season) 2009-2010" check it out and post yours. ;)

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 12:38:51 AM »

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We don't have to change that much man... we're going to lose game like this all season long. all good teams do. Denver struggles wit Minnesota, so do we. Clippers beat us and they also beat the Lakers, but yet they lose to the Grizzlies? lol it happens. Long season, many unpredictable outcomes. My minor configure change is in my newest thread "What Will You Do As Celtics G.M. (for the rest of this season) 2009-2010" check it out and post yours. ;)

We wouldn't change that much, to bring trade for a point guard and wing? then sign a big or something?. I know its a long season, but I hold the C's to a little bit of a higher standard, than other teams. haha

OK I'll head over to your post right now!

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2010, 12:41:07 AM »

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Number 5 is the magic number.

If number 5 is rectified, then the rest will fall into place.

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2010, 12:59:00 AM »

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They just played the back end of a back-to-back against a young, athletic team without our first backup guard, first backup big and our starting PF.  Relax.



Yes, but it was a BLOW OUT win against the NEW JERSEY NETS! not a lot of energy expended in the game. And many of the starters got a lot of rest bc it was a blowout. I mean Bill Walker got in the game.

I could understand if we were coming off a game against Cleveland, LA or the Spurs. But against the Nets?

You don't really think that all they do on a game night is play their 30-40 minutes and then go to sleep, do you?  They still practice, get their shots up, and warm up.  Playing five to ten minutes fewer because of a blowout doesn't mean Paul, Ray, or Rondo is going to be as fresh as a daisy the next night.

I agree that we need a wing.  If we have a 3 that can shoot, that solves our bench problems.  That allows us to play TA or Quis at the backup point, which eliminates our need for a new PG.  Our backup bigs don't need any help - they need KG and Sheed to get healthy. 

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2010, 01:19:11 AM »

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They just played the back end of a back-to-back against a young, athletic team without our first backup guard, first backup big and our starting PF.  Relax.



Yes, but it was a BLOW OUT win against the NEW JERSEY NETS! not a lot of energy expended in the game. And many of the starters got a lot of rest bc it was a blowout. I mean Bill Walker got in the game.

I could understand if we were coming off a game against Cleveland, LA or the Spurs. But against the Nets?

You don't really think that all they do on a game night is play their 30-40 minutes and then go to sleep, do you?  They still practice, get their shots up, and warm up.  Playing five to ten minutes fewer because of a blowout doesn't mean Paul, Ray, or Rondo is going to be as fresh as a daisy the next night.

I agree that we need a wing.  If we have a 3 that can shoot, that solves our bench problems.  That allows us to play TA or Quis at the backup point, which eliminates our need for a new PG.  Our backup bigs don't need any help - they need KG and Sheed to get healthy. 

No i dont think that. I know they still go through their regular routine. I play ball too, So I know that part. But what normally doesn't happen is those players getting those extra minutes of rest, which may look like 5-10 minutes game time, is more like 15-20 minutes real time, maybe more.

But what I was saying, is using the NETS as an excuse? I know its a back to back, but that game was not a grind-it-out win at all. To use a back-to-back against the Nets as an excuse, is not a valid reason for the way they played tonight.

The true reason, is not bc of a back-to-back night, but as you and I both acknowledge, a lack of depth, causing the starters minutes to increase. Game after game after game after game accumulating big minutes due to a lack of depth over a good portion of the time, has led to the fact that a back to back night of New Jersey and Chicago has an affect on how the C's play.

Which when you think about it, is pretty sad.

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2010, 01:30:18 AM »

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If we traded for 3 more contributors and they get injured, do we trade for 3 more contributors?

Sometimes you have to just grin and bear the rough stretches and avoid panic moves.

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2010, 01:31:19 AM »

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Some observations from tonight's game against the Bulls.

#1: This game tonight showed and made it so obvious that the Celtics need an ATHLETIC Big, another WING player, and they desperately need a backup POINT GUARD!!!!

Geez. Who would you dump out of the rotation when everybody is healthy?

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 01:32:43 AM »

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They just played the back end of a back-to-back against a young, athletic team without our first backup guard, first backup big and our starting PF.  Relax.



Yes, but it was a BLOW OUT win against the NEW JERSEY NETS! not a lot of energy expended in the game. And many of the starters got a lot of rest bc it was a blowout. I mean Bill Walker got in the game.

I could understand if we were coming off a game against Cleveland, LA or the Spurs. But against the Nets?

You don't really think that all they do on a game night is play their 30-40 minutes and then go to sleep, do you?  They still practice, get their shots up, and warm up.  Playing five to ten minutes fewer because of a blowout doesn't mean Paul, Ray, or Rondo is going to be as fresh as a daisy the next night.

I agree that we need a wing.  If we have a 3 that can shoot, that solves our bench problems.  That allows us to play TA or Quis at the backup point, which eliminates our need for a new PG.  Our backup bigs don't need any help - they need KG and Sheed to get healthy. 

No i dont think that. I know they still go through their regular routine. I play ball too, So I know that part. But what normally doesn't happen is those players getting those extra minutes of rest, which may look like 5-10 minutes game time, is more like 15-20 minutes real time, maybe more.

But what I was saying, is using the NETS as an excuse? I know its a back to back, but that game was not a grind-it-out win at all. To use a back-to-back against the Nets as an excuse, is not a valid reason for the way they played tonight.

The true reason, is not bc of a back-to-back night, but as you and I both acknowledge, a lack of depth, causing the starters minutes to increase. Game after game after game after game accumulating big minutes due to a lack of depth over a good portion of the time, has led to the fact that a back to back night of New Jersey and Chicago has an affect on how the C's play.

Which when you think about it, is pretty sad.
5 games in 7 days while shorthanded = fatigue and little practice.

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 01:36:38 AM »

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If we traded for 3 more contributors and they get injured, do we trade for 3 more contributors?

Sometimes you have to just grin and bear the rough stretches and avoid panic moves.

If we traded for 3 more contributors and they get injured. then #1: we have some kind of curse

and #2: I think you just answered your own question.....If we trade for 3 new guys, and they get hurt, then we'll have to just grin and bear through the rough stretch, like you said.


And also, I'm not making the trades purely off the fact that other guys are injured, I'm trading to strengthen our bench, and try and take care of any weak spots (mainly backup pg and wing) as well.

Re: The Game tonight (bulls) what I saw
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 01:41:07 AM »

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Some observations from tonight's game against the Bulls.

#1: This game tonight showed and made it so obvious that the Celtics need an ATHLETIC Big, another WING player, and they desperately need a backup POINT GUARD!!!!

Geez. Who would you dump out of the rotation when everybody is healthy?

My tradable pieces would be: Tony, Scal, JR, Bill Walker,and Shelden.  (I would not be against using Big Baby in a trade either, but i would not actively shop him, like the other guys)

Maybe trade TA and JR or Shelden for Keyon Dooling
Maybe sign Sean Williams
Trade Shelden or JR to Minnesota for Sasha Pavlovic