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another posey idea
« on: January 11, 2010, 03:54:32 PM »

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yeah i know. again?
but as we all know NO is in cost cutting mode.
is posey worth the valuable expiring contracts of scal and either house or t allen?

he brings the best of all three in one package. 3 pt sharp shooting, mobility and versatility at the forward spots, and tenacious D.

problems are age and health. not to worried about the contract. it will be a valuable asset after next year.

But if we are trading expiring contracts do we want to bring another aging vet or do we need to get some young legs instead.

 
 
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 04:00:30 PM »

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We should go after young legs but I don't think we will have the opportunity to get a young player than can contribute this season with our expirings.

So I would be glad to welcome Posey back in Boston for Scal and TA, although Pose has a bad contract and is aging. I'm sure he can still contribute a lot to our team.

But I don't think Danny would do this trade because of Posey's contract and because he refused to re-sign Posey at this price two years ago.

The scenario that I'm really worried about, though, is that New Orleans accepts to trade Posey to a contender... then, we would be in trouble.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM »

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Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 04:42:25 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?

Marquis at the guard position, and Posey at the wing!
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?

we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot. but i don't see why they couldn't play together -- they're complimentary players.

mix and match daniels (1 on O, 2 on D), house (2 on 0, 1 on D) and posey (3, shooting 3s and playing off daniels' handling).

i'd rather have jeffries and chandler than posey.
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Re: another posey idea
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 04:55:22 PM »

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Quote from: Drucci on January 11, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?

Marquis at the guard position, and Posey at the wing!
No Eddie House?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 04:57:02 PM »

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Rajon Rondo + Ray Allen + Paul Pierce are all playing about 36 minutes so there's 12 free minutes at each perimeter position.

(1) 12 minutes apiece for Eddie House + Marquis Daniels + James Posey
(2) 18 minutes apiece for Marquis Daniels (PG + SG) + James Posey (SG + SF)
(3) 12 minutes for House + 16 minutes for first backup wing + 8 minutes for second backup wing
(4) 12 minutes for House + 20 minutes for first backup wing + 4 minutes for secondary backup wing
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 04:58:55 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:57:02 PM
Rajon Rondo + Ray Allen + Paul Pierce are all playing about 36 minutes so there's 12 free minutes at each perimeter position.

(1) 12 minutes apiece for Eddie House + Marquis Daniels + James Posey
(2) 18 minutes apiece for Marquis Daniels (PG + SG) + James Posey (SG + SF)
(3) 12 minutes for House + 16 minutes for first backup wing + 8 minutes for second backup wing
(4) 12 minutes for House + 20 minutes for first backup wing + 4 minutes for secondary backup wing

Or you could add 6 minutes to the 12, since having Marquis and Posey would allow Pierce and Ray to get more rest during the season.

36 minutes is way too much for both of them.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 04:59:21 PM »

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Quote from: ssspence on January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?
we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot.
Agreed -- I was just wondering who people thought was the superior at this point in their careers. Is James Posey still better than Marquis Daniels or not? Would Daniels be ahead of him on the depth chart?

Or are they comparable talent wise and minutes would depend on matchups?
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 05:00:39 PM »

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Quote from: ssspence on January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?

we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot. but i don't see why they couldn't play together -- they're complimentary players.

mix and match daniels (1 on O, 2 on D), house (2 on 0, 1 on D) and posey (3, shooting 3s and playing off daniels' handling).

i'd rather have jeffries and chandler than posey.

how exactly do we pry chandler away from the knicks?
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 05:02:58 PM »

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Quote from: Drucci on January 11, 2010, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:57:02 PM
Rajon Rondo + Ray Allen + Paul Pierce are all playing about 36 minutes so there's 12 free minutes at each perimeter position.

(1) 12 minutes apiece for Eddie House + Marquis Daniels + James Posey
(2) 18 minutes apiece for Marquis Daniels (PG + SG) + James Posey (SG + SF)
(3) 12 minutes for House + 16 minutes for first backup wing + 8 minutes for second backup wing
(4) 12 minutes for House + 20 minutes for first backup wing + 4 minutes for secondary backup wing

Or you could add 6 minutes to the 12, since having Marquis and Posey would allow Pierce and Ray to get more rest during the season.

36 minutes is way too much for both of them.
I'm happy with 36 minutes apiece for them. I'd like to see KG move up to 34 minutes a night (30.7 currently).

But reducing their minutes is a good option too. It'd be my second choice but a lot of Celtics fans would like less minutes for those players so I'm probably in the minority there.

An extra 6 minutes on the wing -- 15 + 15 for Posey and Daniels or 20 + 10 or remove House from the equation and go with 21 minutes apiece for Marquis and Posey.
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2010, 05:04:05 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: ssspence on January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?
we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot.
Agreed -- I was just wondering who people thought was the superior at this point in their careers. Is James Posey still better than Marquis Daniels or not? Would Daniels be ahead of him on the depth chart?

Or are they comparable talent wise and minutes would depend on matchups?

who, see my note above about how they fit in together (including house). more specifically, i think it's certain with the way posey has been playing that he would be below marquis on the depth chart. but again, as you acknowledge -- not happening.
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Re: another posey idea
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2010, 05:09:42 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:59:21 PM
Quote from: ssspence on January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?
we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot.
Agreed -- I was just wondering who people thought was the superior at this point in their careers. Is James Posey still better than Marquis Daniels or not? Would Daniels be ahead of him on the depth chart?

Or are they comparable talent wise and minutes would depend on matchups?
Not taking anything away from Daniels but from the eyeball test of what ive seen last/this season from both players James Posey has got my vote.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2010, 05:13:20 PM »

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Quote from: arctic 3.0 on January 11, 2010, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: ssspence on January 11, 2010, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:40:13 PM
Who would the first choice backup wing be?

James Posey or Marquis Daniels?

we're not picking up posey, so the point is moot. but i don't see why they couldn't play together -- they're complimentary players.

mix and match daniels (1 on O, 2 on D), house (2 on 0, 1 on D) and posey (3, shooting 3s and playing off daniels' handling).

i'd rather have jeffries and chandler than posey.

how exactly do we pry chandler away from the knicks?


by taking jeffries. the knicks are going to be faced with a very tough decision in the next month: how far are they willing to go to dump jeffries? unless someone is silly enough to take hill, and because they won't trade gallinari, they're going to have to decide if they're prepared to trade chandler.

houston might take jeffries if they can get under the lux tax as part of the deal for mcgrady. but they're not going to do it without getting a good talent out of the knicks. they need size so hill may be enough for them.

i'm just saying i'd rather do this deal that take posey -- i don't really want to do either because i don't want lebron and (bosh, wade, joe johnson) to go to new york. i'm absolutely convince lebron will go there if he can form the team how he wants, which they'll certainly allow him to do if he agrees to play there.

but i think someone will do this deal. is it worth it for the knicks to lose chandler to insure getting the world's best player? of course it is -- the risk / reward is a no brainer.
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Re: another posey idea
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2010, 05:37:44 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 05:02:58 PM
Quote from: Drucci on January 11, 2010, 04:58:55 PM
Quote from: Who on January 11, 2010, 04:57:02 PM
Rajon Rondo + Ray Allen + Paul Pierce are all playing about 36 minutes so there's 12 free minutes at each perimeter position.

(1) 12 minutes apiece for Eddie House + Marquis Daniels + James Posey
(2) 18 minutes apiece for Marquis Daniels (PG + SG) + James Posey (SG + SF)
(3) 12 minutes for House + 16 minutes for first backup wing + 8 minutes for second backup wing
(4) 12 minutes for House + 20 minutes for first backup wing + 4 minutes for secondary backup wing

Or you could add 6 minutes to the 12, since having Marquis and Posey would allow Pierce and Ray to get more rest during the season.

36 minutes is way too much for both of them.
I'm happy with 36 minutes apiece for them. I'd like to see KG move up to 34 minutes a night (30.7 currently).

But reducing their minutes is a good option too. It'd be my second choice but a lot of Celtics fans would like less minutes for those players so I'm probably in the minority there.

An extra 6 minutes on the wing -- 15 + 15 for Posey and Daniels or 20 + 10 or remove House from the equation and go with 21 minutes apiece for Marquis and Posey.

The thing is, we can quibble about whether Pierce and Allen should be playing 36 mpg, but there's two things we need to recognize. 

1) They're playing 36 mpg now anyway. 

2) They'll likely play even more in the playoffs. 

Come playoff time we're probably looking at less than 30 mpg of backup time for the 1, 2, and 3 positions.  In theory, Marquis Daniels could play pretty much all of it if we so choose (though foul trouble and rotation issues make that very difficult). 

While I love Posey and would've sacrificed a lot last year to bring him back, I don't see the benefit all that much.  If we want to knock Pierce and Allen's minutes down in the regular season, we can play Tony Allen more.  As Ainge has already shown, he's not afraid to lose some regular season games in terms of long term health.

And come playoff time, I don't see a huge value in paying a guy as much as Posey makes to split what looks to be 20 minutes per game at the 2/3 that Daniels could very well handle by himself. 
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