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Re: McGwire Fesses Up
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2010, 04:51:30 PM »

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If I read the article on espn correctly he said that he used roids to help with injuries so he could recover faster and also prevent them occurring.  If thats the case I dont buy it. 

Why don't you buy it?  Steroids are ridiculously good at injury recovery and prevention, and McGwire basically lost multiple seasons to injuries early in his career.  I seriously doubt the mass and strength gains weren't at least part of his motivation, but this is a guy who hit 49 home runs as a relatively skinny rookie.  I don't think he felt like he needed more power to compete; staying on the field was his major issue.



He said he started using steroids in 1989/1990, in the years before then he played 151, 155, 143, and 156 games in 1990.  Those arent exactly injury plagued seasons.  So his story doesnt fit in that regard, not to mention it shows that hitting 40, 32, 33, 39 home runs clearly wasnt enough for him.  I am aware how steroids are effective in regards to recovering from injury, I just dont buy that it's thee only reason that he decided to use, especially in 1989 clearly, and continue to use them.  I just dont buy it.    He turned his career around and started to stay healthy, then he said he stopped.  Why did he start back up? 

I realize he hit 49 homers as a relatively skinny rookie, but Barry Bonds was able to hit 40 home runs before he began to really juice, and arguably had a hall of fame career before he decided it just wasnt enough.  I just feel that while McGwire did use steroids to help with injuries, the notion that theyll increase his power, and home run totals were also part of the reason to use and continue to use.  Is it so hard to believe that McGwire craved the same history breaking attention that Bonds did??  I know people like to separate Mcgwire from people like Bonds and Clemens because McGwire from what we've all seen and heard is a 'nice guy' but really in the end he's guilty of the same crimes as Bonds and Clemens

In this world there are many people that lead clean lives that are nice people, and there are people that lead clean lives that are complete jerks.  There are 'nice' people in this world that break the same laws that bad people do, but nice or not, theyre still a criminal, and hes still a cheater.

I don't think you're ever going to hear a guy say "I took them so that I could hit more home runs.", when Andy Pettite's "I used them for injuries." admission was so readily accepted with open, forgiving arms.
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Re: McGwire Fesses Up
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 05:24:00 PM »

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If I read the article on espn correctly he said that he used roids to help with injuries so he could recover faster and also prevent them occurring.  If thats the case I dont buy it. 

Why don't you buy it?  Steroids are ridiculously good at injury recovery and prevention, and McGwire basically lost multiple seasons to injuries early in his career.  I seriously doubt the mass and strength gains weren't at least part of his motivation, but this is a guy who hit 49 home runs as a relatively skinny rookie.  I don't think he felt like he needed more power to compete; staying on the field was his major issue.



He said he started using steroids in 1989/1990, in the years before then he played 151, 155, 143, and 156 games in 1990.  Those arent exactly injury plagued seasons.  So his story doesnt fit in that regard, not to mention it shows that hitting 40, 32, 33, 39 home runs clearly wasnt enough for him.  I am aware how steroids are effective in regards to recovering from injury, I just dont buy that it's thee only reason that he decided to use, especially in 1989 clearly, and continue to use them.  I just dont buy it.    He turned his career around and started to stay healthy, then he said he stopped.  Why did he start back up? 

I realize he hit 49 homers as a relatively skinny rookie, but Barry Bonds was able to hit 40 home runs before he began to really juice, and arguably had a hall of fame career before he decided it just wasnt enough.  I just feel that while McGwire did use steroids to help with injuries, the notion that theyll increase his power, and home run totals were also part of the reason to use and continue to use.  Is it so hard to believe that McGwire craved the same history breaking attention that Bonds did??  I know people like to separate Mcgwire from people like Bonds and Clemens because McGwire from what we've all seen and heard is a 'nice guy' but really in the end he's guilty of the same crimes as Bonds and Clemens

In this world there are many people that lead clean lives that are nice people, and there are people that lead clean lives that are complete jerks.  There are 'nice' people in this world that break the same laws that bad people do, but nice or not, theyre still a criminal, and hes still a cheater.

I don't think you're ever going to hear a guy say "I took them so that I could hit more home runs.", when Andy Pettite's "I used them for injuries." admission was so readily accepted with open, forgiving arms.

I agree with you, but I'd be more inclined to forgive someone who said that point blank, than someones whos trying to regain face by adopting someones story b/c it worked for them.  Its  more shady than telling people you wont talk about it in my opinion.  It's like saying you robbed somoenes house because you were starving but youre not willing to acknowldge the the gold necklaces, diamond rings, and wads of cash that you stole along with the food that you cleary needed to survive.  Yeah food, was THEE only reason you broke into the house.  Uh  Huh.

maybe im taking this too far, it just really irks me when people arent up front, and especially trying to play the victim with the whole 'i wish i didnt play in the steroids era.'  what the hell is that?  If thats not a play for pity hall of fame votes, i dont know what is.
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Re: McGwire Fesses Up
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010, 05:51:21 PM »

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If I read the article on espn correctly he said that he used roids to help with injuries so he could recover faster and also prevent them occurring.  If thats the case I dont buy it. 

Why don't you buy it?  Steroids are ridiculously good at injury recovery and prevention, and McGwire basically lost multiple seasons to injuries early in his career.  I seriously doubt the mass and strength gains weren't at least part of his motivation, but this is a guy who hit 49 home runs as a relatively skinny rookie.  I don't think he felt like he needed more power to compete; staying on the field was his major issue.



He said he started using steroids in 1989/1990, in the years before then he played 151, 155, 143, and 156 games in 1990.  Those arent exactly injury plagued seasons.  So his story doesnt fit in that regard, not to mention it shows that hitting 40, 32, 33, 39 home runs clearly wasnt enough for him.  I am aware how steroids are effective in regards to recovering from injury, I just dont buy that it's thee only reason that he decided to use, especially in 1989 clearly, and continue to use them.  I just dont buy it.    He turned his career around and started to stay healthy, then he said he stopped.  Why did he start back up? 

I realize he hit 49 homers as a relatively skinny rookie, but Barry Bonds was able to hit 40 home runs before he began to really juice, and arguably had a hall of fame career before he decided it just wasnt enough.  I just feel that while McGwire did use steroids to help with injuries, the notion that theyll increase his power, and home run totals were also part of the reason to use and continue to use.  Is it so hard to believe that McGwire craved the same history breaking attention that Bonds did??  I know people like to separate Mcgwire from people like Bonds and Clemens because McGwire from what we've all seen and heard is a 'nice guy' but really in the end he's guilty of the same crimes as Bonds and Clemens

In this world there are many people that lead clean lives that are nice people, and there are people that lead clean lives that are complete jerks.  There are 'nice' people in this world that break the same laws that bad people do, but nice or not, theyre still a criminal, and hes still a cheater.

I don't think you're ever going to hear a guy say "I took them so that I could hit more home runs.", when Andy Pettite's "I used them for injuries." admission was so readily accepted with open, forgiving arms.

I agree with you, but I'd be more inclined to forgive someone who said that point blank, than someones whos trying to regain face by adopting someones story b/c it worked for them.  Its  more shady than telling people you wont talk about it in my opinion.  It's like saying you robbed somoenes house because you were starving but youre not willing to acknowldge the the gold necklaces, diamond rings, and wads of cash that you stole along with the food that you cleary needed to survive.  Yeah food, was THEE only reason you broke into the house.  Uh  Huh.

maybe im taking this too far, it just really irks me when people arent up front, and especially trying to play the victim with the whole 'i wish i didnt play in the steroids era.'  what the hell is that?  If thats not a play for pity hall of fame votes, i dont know what is.

No, I absolutely hear what you're saying, and if I caught my kid in a some sort of parallel story and she lied to me about then finally admitted to the crime but under some half-cracked pretense that didn't cut to the truth I'd be disappointed in her. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2010, 05:54:25 PM »

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Mark McGuire did steroids?
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2010, 05:59:54 PM »

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Mark McGuire did steroids?

but he never inhaled
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Re: McGwire Fesses Up
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2010, 06:03:52 PM »

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Mark McGuire did steroids?

but he never inhaled
and he did not take the steroids before he took the steroids...err. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2010, 06:24:15 PM »

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If I read the article on espn correctly he said that he used roids to help with injuries so he could recover faster and also prevent them occurring.  If thats the case I dont buy it. 

Why don't you buy it?  Steroids are ridiculously good at injury recovery and prevention, and McGwire basically lost multiple seasons to injuries early in his career.  I seriously doubt the mass and strength gains weren't at least part of his motivation, but this is a guy who hit 49 home runs as a relatively skinny rookie.  I don't think he felt like he needed more power to compete; staying on the field was his major issue.



He said he started using steroids in 1989/1990, in the years before then he played 151, 155, 143, and 156 games in 1990.  Those arent exactly injury plagued seasons.  So his story doesnt fit in that regard, not to mention it shows that hitting 40, 32, 33, 39 home runs clearly wasnt enough for him.  I am aware how steroids are effective in regards to recovering from injury, I just dont buy that it's thee only reason that he decided to use, especially in 1989 clearly, and continue to use them.  I just dont buy it.    He turned his career around and started to stay healthy, then he said he stopped.  Why did he start back up? 

In this world there are many people that lead clean lives that are nice people, and there are people that lead clean lives that are complete jerks.  There are 'nice' people in this world that break the same laws that bad people do, but nice or not, theyre still a criminal, and hes still a cheater.

Assuming he's being honest, the brief 89/90 usage was probably due to Canseco's recommendation - that guy was like the Johnny Appleseed of steroid use.  Then he stopped, and a few years later came the injuries and the regular use.  I think the key to his statement is "I told myself it was to help with injuries".  People tend to rationalize doing things they know are wrong; sounds like what he did.  So I guess we probably agree he actually used for both injuries and strength, I just think he did tell himself it was only for the injuries and the power was just his own abilities.

And yeah, he was still a cheater as a player, no matter what face he puts on it now.  But so is almost every great player from that era.  So baseball and its fans will have to take a more nuanced view of the individual offenses, or else reject an entire generation of stars not named Griffey, Thomas, or Maddux. 

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2010, 07:00:20 PM »

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If I read the article on espn correctly he said that he used roids to help with injuries so he could recover faster and also prevent them occurring.  If thats the case I dont buy it. 

Why don't you buy it?  Steroids are ridiculously good at injury recovery and prevention, and McGwire basically lost multiple seasons to injuries early in his career.  I seriously doubt the mass and strength gains weren't at least part of his motivation, but this is a guy who hit 49 home runs as a relatively skinny rookie.  I don't think he felt like he needed more power to compete; staying on the field was his major issue.



He said he started using steroids in 1989/1990, in the years before then he played 151, 155, 143, and 156 games in 1990.  Those arent exactly injury plagued seasons.  So his story doesnt fit in that regard, not to mention it shows that hitting 40, 32, 33, 39 home runs clearly wasnt enough for him.  I am aware how steroids are effective in regards to recovering from injury, I just dont buy that it's thee only reason that he decided to use, especially in 1989 clearly, and continue to use them.  I just dont buy it.    He turned his career around and started to stay healthy, then he said he stopped.  Why did he start back up? 

In this world there are many people that lead clean lives that are nice people, and there are people that lead clean lives that are complete jerks.  There are 'nice' people in this world that break the same laws that bad people do, but nice or not, theyre still a criminal, and hes still a cheater.

Assuming he's being honest, the brief 89/90 usage was probably due to Canseco's recommendation - that guy was like the Johnny Appleseed of steroid use.  Then he stopped, and a few years later came the injuries and the regular use.  I think the key to his statement is "I told myself it was to help with injuries".  People tend to rationalize doing things they know are wrong; sounds like what he did.  So I guess we probably agree he actually used for both injuries and strength, I just think he did tell himself it was only for the injuries and the power was just his own abilities.

And yeah, he was still a cheater as a player, no matter what face he puts on it now.  But so is almost every great player from that era.  So baseball and its fans will have to take a more nuanced view of the individual offenses, or else reject an entire generation of stars not named Griffey, Thomas, or Maddux. 

fair enough TP's to be both you and Redz.  This admission and regret on his part just seems like its being made for all the wrong reasons to me.  This just seems like a flat out attempt at pity to me.  If any kind of user, whether it be drugs, alchohal, steroids, gambling.  If theyre coming clean it's 'This is me, I'm a user, Im sorry for those Ive hurt, theres no excuse, please forgive me.'  It'd definetly not suppose to be, 'Hey Im sorry, but I did it for these reasons, and I was telling myself I was doing it for this reason, theres no excuse.....buuut those are my excuses, I wish I wasnt in this era.  Please feel sorry for me and vote.'

i know I'm being overly critical, I just have no sympathy for these players.  I feel sorry for the players who played legit baseball during this era and had accomplished careers because theyre tarnished now, and if I was them Id be offended and p---ed if I heard McGwire say "I wish I didnt play in this era." because theyre the ones with the real regret of having to play in that era.
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Re: McGwire Fesses Up
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2010, 07:07:02 PM »

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Gotta love the Globe poll that asks if people are surprised...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/01_10_10_mcgwire_survey/

Re: McGwire Fesses Up
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Gotta love the Globe poll that asks if people are surprised...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/01_10_10_mcgwire_survey/

Haha...that's good stuff.


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