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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2010, 11:21:06 AM »

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Kahn is starting to give me the impression he's pretty much an idiot.

Well, it doesn't hurt to make an offer, right? 

I mean, this one would have been a fairly decent trade for Minnesota, but it's not terrible in terms of value for Indiana.  Danny Ainge -- somebody most around here consider to be a pretty good GM -- apparently offered Perkins for the #2 pick, and Ray and Rondo for Prince, Hamilton, and Stuckey.  Those deals were quickly rejected; do we consider Danny to be an idiot?

In a year, I could easily see a scenario where Indiana rejects not taking this offer.  Big Al has had some struggles this season, but he's still got perhaps the best low post moves in the entire NBA.  If he gets back to his 23/11 form, I think a lot of teams would be thrilled to have him, even at the expense of a 25 point scoring forward who is battling some injury problems of his own.
I basing that opinion on his total job thus far and also the very open front office that he has that seems to leak just about every move he makes to the press.

I think his choice of Rambis and the triangle offense was really bad considering his personnel. He then went compounded the problem and drafted two point guards and signed another, none of which can shoot well from outside, which is necessary in the triple-post. His handling of the Rubio situation, though fairly predictable, was not good at all. His trades, IMO, have been headscratchers, though I guess he has dumped salary. But he does realize he is in Minnesota and cap space isn't going to do him much good because no one is going to sign big bucks as a free agent to go play basketball all winter in Minnesota, right?

I don't know, I just think he's starting very quickly to look like he's closer to Kevin McHale as a GM than he is to Greeg Popovich.

~ He inherited a roster with two good PFs and not much else. One of them is going to be dealt eventually, regardless of the coach.

~ I like the choice of Rambis. Yes, they need to make personnel adjustments, but this was going to happen anyway considering a new regime and poor past results (let's not forget our amigo Mr. Ainge).

~ I find the continued [dang]ing of the Rubio pick to be short sighted. We'll see what happens. If Rubio continues to blossom, he will be a highly valuable asset to their future or in trade. Who should he have taken? I'm one of the few who think it will really pay off for them.

~ If you believe Rubio will be a player / asset, then the Washington deal was a dunk. Randy Foye is junk. Does Miller even play basketball anymore?

~ Flynn was a risky pick, but he's a good player. If he continues to grow you trade Rubio, if not you keep him. Jennings may turn out to be the better player, but they'd be in the same position vis-a-vis Rubio.

~ Sessions felt like an abitrary sign, but he's very tradable.

~ Hollins has been servicable and came cheap.

~ I agree they lack shooting, but they didn't have any before unless you count Miller (who rarely plays). They're rebuilding and have numerous flaws which they need to address.

For the record, I'm not declaring him a success, but I don't think he's an idiot for a) wanting to trade Big Al, or b) having a trade proposal for a top young player leaked. If Al is offended by being offered for the likes of Granger, well then he'll just have to continue to toughen up.

Every rebuilding GM faces these issues.

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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2010, 11:38:05 AM »

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I was just pondering this and had a question...do you guys think Rondo is now better than Big Al? I know it is ridiculous to compare 2 blatantly different positions, but I think Rondo might have more value around the league at this point. They both have unique skillsets for their position.

Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2010, 11:47:53 AM »

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I was just pondering this and had a question...do you guys think Rondo is now better than Big Al? I know it is ridiculous to compare 2 blatantly different positions, but I think Rondo might have more value around the league at this point. They both have unique skillsets for their position.

i don't think there's any question Rondo is more valuable. leaving aside their skills, Rondo has been far healthier.
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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2010, 11:59:56 AM »

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If it was straight up I would reject that trade as well.  And yes Danny's best move with regard to the KG trade was keeping Rondo.
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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2010, 11:27:21 PM »

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Minnesota is denying the trade offer, and say they have no plans to trade Big Al this season.  Link

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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2010, 12:20:48 AM »

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I would gladly send Al away for the right package in return (thank you captain obvious).... Danny Granger is not it.

I've known since the day Love was drafted that he and Jefferson could never be the frontcourt pairing of a contending team... at the time I thought Love was the weaker link, but lately I've been thinking it's Big Al - not enough defense, not enough durability. 

If they could pair Al and an expiring contract for an above average center that could play defense and a 1st round pick, I might jump at the chance.


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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2010, 12:59:49 AM »

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I would gladly send Al away for the right package in return (thank you captain obvious).... Danny Granger is not it.

I've known since the day Love was drafted that he and Jefferson could never be the frontcourt pairing of a contending team... at the time I thought Love was the weaker link, but lately I've been thinking it's Big Al - not enough defense, not enough durability. 

If they could pair Al and an expiring contract for an above average center that could play defense and a 1st round pick, I might jump at the chance.


Mayo should have been drafted, but I suppose that's another topic for another day.

Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2010, 01:05:40 AM »

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I would gladly send Al away for the right package in return (thank you captain obvious).... Danny Granger is not it.

I've known since the day Love was drafted that he and Jefferson could never be the frontcourt pairing of a contending team... at the time I thought Love was the weaker link, but lately I've been thinking it's Big Al - not enough defense, not enough durability. 

If they could pair Al and an expiring contract for an above average center that could play defense and a 1st round pick, I might jump at the chance.


Mayo should have been drafted, but I suppose that's another topic for another day.

he was drafted!


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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2010, 01:08:25 AM »

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I would gladly send Al away for the right package in return (thank you captain obvious).... Danny Granger is not it.

I've known since the day Love was drafted that he and Jefferson could never be the frontcourt pairing of a contending team... at the time I thought Love was the weaker link, but lately I've been thinking it's Big Al - not enough defense, not enough durability. 

If they could pair Al and an expiring contract for an above average center that could play defense and a 1st round pick, I might jump at the chance.


Mayo should have been drafted, but I suppose that's another topic for another day.

he was drafted!
I think he means that O.J. Mayo should have been the pick for Minnesota rather than trading down in the deal with Memphis.

Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2010, 01:13:21 AM »

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I would gladly send Al away for the right package in return (thank you captain obvious).... Danny Granger is not it.

I've known since the day Love was drafted that he and Jefferson could never be the frontcourt pairing of a contending team... at the time I thought Love was the weaker link, but lately I've been thinking it's Big Al - not enough defense, not enough durability. 

If they could pair Al and an expiring contract for an above average center that could play defense and a 1st round pick, I might jump at the chance.


Mayo should have been drafted, but I suppose that's another topic for another day.

he was drafted!
I think he means that O.J. Mayo should have been the pick for Minnesota rather than trading down in the deal with Memphis.

yeah, I know what he meant... but they didn't trade down, they drafted Mayo then traded him later for Love + Mike Miller + trash... (although the trade was likely planned before the picks were made)


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Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2010, 01:17:01 AM »

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I think Kevin Love is a superior player to OJ Mayo and also to Jefferson. I think this would have been a good deal for the Wolves and a bad one for Indiana, even though in a vacuum Granger and Jefferson are players of equal quality.

FWIW, I don't believe in Kahn when he says he didn't try to make this trade.

Re: Al Jefferson for Granger trade offer rejected by the Pacers
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2010, 01:25:01 AM »

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I think Kevin Love is a superior player to OJ Mayo and also to Jefferson. I think this would have been a good deal for the Wolves and a bad one for Indiana, even though in a vacuum Granger and Jefferson are players of equal quality.

FWIW, I don't believe in Kahn when he says he didn't try to make this trade.

I don't like it for the Wolves.  They are EXTREMELY thin at the 4 and 5.  It's Big Al, Love...... then  scraps.  You can't trade one of them if you aren't getting a starting capable big in return, especially with a draft class that features no top prospect centers.


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