A few fundamental TEAM failures....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

It is really one thing, in my opinion of course...
The Celtics do not BOX out anyone, it is a constant failure team wide. It is the easiest fundamental to incorporate, it will actually make rebounding 10 times easier, it is a mindset, and it is something basketball pllayers who know the game do.....Here is how it goes....A player on the opposing team takes an outside shot, the defending team sees it and instead of looking up at the rim in amazement and wonder, you look for the closest man...your man, get in front of him and boody his body away from the hoop....then you or your teammate have a better chance of getting the rebound, the other team vwill not get easy tip ins or 2nd chances on the shot, which deflates their momentum, and, in the Celtics case, their superior playmaking, team type game has a better chance of winning out...!Sure, I would like to believe the team is reading this....! Because Atlanta killed us on this, and other teams also, it is dumb to let this happen. It is a major Celtic team weakness.

[Fafnir]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

[Kiorrik]

I gotta try this stuff at practice. Coach will love this.

Seriously though, true. It's easy, and they should do it. On the other hand, we do like to run the break. Not as much as the Suns do, but we *have* to rely on others to rebound. This might not be the best way to go since we got Perk, who's not a fantastic rebounder (but great at boxing out, there's a difference) and Rasheed is rather slow at rebounding as well, and the rest will be *gone* as soon as there has been a shot.

I don't know how to really address this issue, so I'll shut up now

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

your opinion should be kept general either agree or not, speak for yourself or don't speakc at all, you do not set much of an example as a moderator

[Fafnir]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

your opinion should be kept general either agree or not, speak for yourself or don't speakc at all, you do not set much of an example as a moderator

If you want to discuss that via PM feel free, you never responded to any PMs in the past take advantage of this opportunity.

As for the Celtics lack of boxing out, and general rebounding issues I agree its a big issue. But a steam of consciousness description of boxing out really doesn't lead anywhere. I'm hoping that KG will return, that will help our rebounding by returning Sheed to bench minutes. But we often had similar issues with KG early in the season. If we can stay league average (in overall rebounding above average on the defensive glass) I think that'll be enough to win in the playoffs.

BBD also has a chance to carve out a niche by being the C's weapon on the offensive glass.

[Kiorrik]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

your opinion should be kept general either agree or not, speak for yourself or don't speakc at all

, you do not set much of an example as a moderator

If you want to discuss that via PM feel free, you never responded to any PMs in the past take advantage of this opportunity.

As for the Celtics lack of boxing out, and general rebounding issues I agree its a big issue. But a steam of consciousness description of boxing out really doesn't lead anywhere. I'm hoping that KG will return, that will help our rebounding by returning Sheed to bench minutes. But we often had similar issues with KG early in the season. If we can stay league average (in overall rebounding above average on the defensive glass) I think that'll be enough to win in the playoffs.

BBD also has a chance to carve out a niche by being the C's weapon on the offensive glass.

He *is* ridiculous on the offensive boards.

[Fafnir]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

your opinion should be kept general either agree or not, speak for yourself or don't speakc at all

, you do not set much of an example as a moderator

If you want to discuss that via PM feel free, you never responded to any PMs in the past take advantage of this opportunity.

As for the Celtics lack of boxing out, and general rebounding issues I agree its a big issue. But a steam of consciousness description of boxing out really doesn't lead anywhere. I'm hoping that KG will return, that will help our rebounding by returning Sheed to bench minutes. But we often had similar issues with KG early in the season. If we can stay league average (in overall rebounding above average on the defensive glass) I think that'll be enough to win in the playoffs.

BBD also has a chance to carve out a niche by being the C's weapon on the offensive glass.

He *is* ridiculous on the offensive boards.

This year at least, a 22 rebound rating on the offensive boards is beastly. Probably not sustainable, but if he can keep it in the high teens I'll be excited for him.

[Roy Hobbs]

I think most posters on a basketball board are aware what boxing out is. The Celtics don't read this message board for technique pointers either.

Rebounding is a serious weakness of this Celtics team. If we lose in the playoffs turnovers and rebounds will likely be the main culprit.

your opinion should be kept general either agree or not, speak for yourself or don't speakc at all, you do not set much of an example as a moderator

As Fafnir said, there's no need for comments like this, especially in public.  Telling another member to "speak for yourself or don't speak at all" is inappropriate, regardless of who that member is.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I'll respong to the "PM" i just don't know what it is...nor have i ever been aware of it before. Why do you let people go direct at someone like this, then defend your people, none of my posts or original statments were ever so directed at anyone....my replies were always in like and in kind, then you censured me. I thought the "moderator" should set an example of proper condict, you do not have to agree with anyones post, but just go around it, past it, ignore it.
Speaking for all or other posters here, or Celtics players...?
How about, yes we need to box out more, or no i think we should......simple and indirect.

[Kiorrik]

Guys, relax.

Meadowlark_Scal, scroll up and click on "Messages" right under "Welcome Meadowlark_Scal", and read the messages that you got. You can reply there as well

Those messages are referred to as PM's, short for private messages, as no one else can see them.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

okay, let me publically apologize without prompting, because what i said isn't the way to go either.....i just want to talk hoop, and yes listen to others points also, so, sorry to all about that stuff....! Go Celts ( and Pats too)

[Bahku]

On the whole, I'd say we could box out more, and in fact improve on almost every part of our game. However, I think some need more work on it than others ... Sheed, in my opinion, is the guy who immediately comes to mind, because he's so effective at it, and yet seems to be reluctant to use it consistently, and would rather launch three-point bricks. I think it's a bit of taking the easy way out for him, but the last couple of games he's mixed it up a bit more. Perk is the only one doing it consistently, so I'd say yes, we could easily improve there ... on both ends, and especially on the weak side, (which will cut down on the other team's offensive rebounds.

[Roy Hobbs]

okay, let me publically apologize without prompting, because what i said isn't the way to go either.....i just want to talk hoop, and yes listen to others points also, so, sorry to all about that stuff....! Go Celts ( and Pats too)

No problem.  It's always nice when cooler heads prevail.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I know what you mean, sheed can be so good for us...His 3's are.....well, sometimes great, but no team that lives by the 3 ever goes anywhere.....It is mostly a lazy way to go I think. The Celtics look the best when they stick to their fundamental style, the showed the leageu 2 years ago that team ball rules, (fundamentally)-bad spelling and a bit corny, i know..!

[mmbaby]

Well, I didn't know what boxing out was. Glad to understand a bit better now. Thanks Meadow and welcome.