If NO does want to dump Paul to save money, do you make this trade?

[Birdbrain]

The proposed trade is too complicated.  Just offer Rondo and expirings for Paul, plus $3M in cash.  That saves NO around 28 million over the life of Paul's deal, plus more after that, since Paul will still command max money when his current deal expires.

It has to be that way.


Rondo's contract is a PPP.

Paul's contract is a BYC.

So, after looking up what this is, can you elaborate on what exactly are the Poison Pills in Rondo's contract?

And the Hornets aren't dumping CP3 to "save money". That's a borderline oxymoron. If the Hornets do that, they may very effectively lose their fanbase.

Well yes of course there is less a 0% of happening... but, would you do it? lol

[wdleehi]

The proposed trade is too complicated.  Just offer Rondo and expirings for Paul, plus $3M in cash.  That saves NO around 28 million over the life of Paul's deal, plus more after that, since Paul will still command max money when his current deal expires.

It has to be that way.


Rondo's contract is a PPP.

Paul's contract is a BYC.

So, after looking up what this is, can you elaborate on what exactly are the Poison Pills in Rondo's contract?

And the Hornets aren't dumping CP3 to "save money". That's a borderline oxymoron. If the Hornets do that, they may very effectively lose their fanbase.

Because this year he is still playing on his rookie contract and next year it jumps to the new extension.

[wdleehi]

Paul is currently a star. But I don't do this trade because Rondo is a consistant 15-18 foot jump shot away from being a star as well and maybe the second best PG in the league.

I say have patience with Rondo's shot. He's as good if not a better defender, rebounder, passer and floor general as Paul without the need for having to be a scorer as well, which I happen to like better than the shoot first mentality of some PGs.

I look at it this way, if Rondo can hit his 15-18 footers at a 45% consistency level in two years, he's almost Paul's equal so then the trade comes down to Ray, Scal, a 1st, a 2nd and cash for Peja, Arthur and Hadadi and that is a ridiculously stupid trade, IMO.

I agree ... but I also would say no because he's in the same arrogant, "Me-Me", NBA-stroking club as LBJ and Kobe. I know it's one of those irrational dislike things, but I just can't stand the guy. I love Rondo's energy and willingness to grow, and his love is for his team first, at least that's my feeling. CP3 loves CP3 ... and that's not what the Celtics are about.

Yeah pretty much 100% agreeance with both of your posts.  Lots of stats and lots of losses.  Rondo is the type of PG I prefer to root for.  I know he can't shoot a 15 ft jumper ... but, since he's a PG I really don't care.

NO record since Paul joined is 198-162 in the regular season. 

That seems like a lot more wins the loses.


And when did he suddenly become a "me" player?  What did he do? 

As far as I have seen, he has made players like Chandler and West play above themselves. 

Is it his fault the team built around him was so fragile and mismanged? 



As for Rondo vs. Paul, come on.  I love Rondo.  I think he is one of the top PGs in the league.  Paul is the top PG in the league.

It is like saying in DC "I am not going to trade Butler for Lebron because if Butler just gets better at (I don't care, you can fill in any skill you want here) he will almost be as good as Lebron."

[moiso]

Paul has done pretty well with that horrible roster.  It's really bad.  Compare that roster to the Clippers or Washington and it comes out behind.

[nickagneta]

Paul is currently a star. But I don't do this trade because Rondo is a consistant 15-18 foot jump shot away from being a star as well and maybe the second best PG in the league.

I say have patience with Rondo's shot. He's as good if not a better defender, rebounder, passer and floor general as Paul without the need for having to be a scorer as well, which I happen to like better than the shoot first mentality of some PGs.

I look at it this way, if Rondo can hit his 15-18 footers at a 45% consistency level in two years, he's almost Paul's equal so then the trade comes down to Ray, Scal, a 1st, a 2nd and cash for Peja, Arthur and Hadadi and that is a ridiculously stupid trade, IMO.

I agree ... but I also would say no because he's in the same arrogant, "Me-Me", NBA-stroking club as LBJ and Kobe. I know it's one of those irrational dislike things, but I just can't stand the guy. I love Rondo's energy and willingness to grow, and his love is for his team first, at least that's my feeling. CP3 loves CP3 ... and that's not what the Celtics are about.

Yeah pretty much 100% agreeance with both of your posts.  Lots of stats and lots of losses.  Rondo is the type of PG I prefer to root for.  I know he can't shoot a 15 ft jumper ... but, since he's a PG I really don't care.

NO record since Paul joined is 198-162 in the regular season. 

That seems like a lot more wins the loses.


And when did he suddenly become a "me" player?  What did he do? 

As far as I have seen, he has made players like Chandler and West play above themselves. 

Is it his fault the team built around him was so fragile and mismanged? 



As for Rondo vs. Paul, come on.  I love Rondo.  I think he is one of the top PGs in the league.  Paul is the top PG in the league.

It is like saying in DC "I am not going to trade Butler for Lebron because if Butler just gets better at (I don't care, you can fill in any skill you want here) he will almost be as good as Lebron."

I happen to think your Butler/LeBron comparison doesn't stand the test.

Rondo is as good if not a better defensive PG as Paul.
Rondo is as good if not a better rebounder than Paul.
Rondo is as good a floor general as Paul.
Rondo is as good a passer as Paul.
Rondo is probably a more consistent and dynamic penetrator as Paul.
Paul is the much better FT shooter, three point shooter and outside shooter.

If Rondo improves his shooting, which he recently has shown signs of doing, and get to be a mediocre outside shooter, he will be probably the second best to third best PG in the league. Almost as good a PG as Paul. Of all the skills that can be improved by players long term, shooting is the easiest to improve on, besides defense.

2 years from now I could see Rondo being one of the three best PGs in the league. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Paul, with that I agree with. But at his salary and with his experiences, I'ld rather have Rondo if it means giving up Ray to get him.

I liken the comparison more to would you trade Ray, Kevin Durant and Thabo Sefolosha, a 1st and a 2nd and cash to Cleveland for LeBron, Darnell Jackson, and Jawad Williams? Yes, LeBron is better than Durant and the best at his position but with some improvement Durant will be amongst the 2-3 best SFs in the game and close to LeBron. So do you trade Ray, Thabo picks and cash for Darnell Jackson and Jawad Williams if you think in a couple years Durant will be almost LeBron's equal, but not quite?

That's the way I see it.

[moiso]

I have to agree with wdheeli on this one.  Rondo is great but Paul is elite.  To me it's like comparing Pierce with Lebron or Kobe.  We know Pierce is great but...

[wdleehi]

Paul is currently a star. But I don't do this trade because Rondo is a consistant 15-18 foot jump shot away from being a star as well and maybe the second best PG in the league.

I say have patience with Rondo's shot. He's as good if not a better defender, rebounder, passer and floor general as Paul without the need for having to be a scorer as well, which I happen to like better than the shoot first mentality of some PGs.

I look at it this way, if Rondo can hit his 15-18 footers at a 45% consistency level in two years, he's almost Paul's equal so then the trade comes down to Ray, Scal, a 1st, a 2nd and cash for Peja, Arthur and Hadadi and that is a ridiculously stupid trade, IMO.

I agree ... but I also would say no because he's in the same arrogant, "Me-Me", NBA-stroking club as LBJ and Kobe. I know it's one of those irrational dislike things, but I just can't stand the guy. I love Rondo's energy and willingness to grow, and his love is for his team first, at least that's my feeling. CP3 loves CP3 ... and that's not what the Celtics are about.

Yeah pretty much 100% agreeance with both of your posts.  Lots of stats and lots of losses.  Rondo is the type of PG I prefer to root for.  I know he can't shoot a 15 ft jumper ... but, since he's a PG I really don't care.

NO record since Paul joined is 198-162 in the regular season. 

That seems like a lot more wins the loses.


And when did he suddenly become a "me" player?  What did he do? 

As far as I have seen, he has made players like Chandler and West play above themselves. 

Is it his fault the team built around him was so fragile and mismanged? 



As for Rondo vs. Paul, come on.  I love Rondo.  I think he is one of the top PGs in the league.  Paul is the top PG in the league.

It is like saying in DC "I am not going to trade Butler for Lebron because if Butler just gets better at (I don't care, you can fill in any skill you want here) he will almost be as good as Lebron."

I happen to think your Butler/LeBron comparison doesn't stand the test.

Rondo is as good if not a better defensive PG as Paul.
Rondo is as good if not a better rebounder than Paul.
Rondo is as good a floor general as Paul.
Rondo is as good a passer as Paul.
Rondo is probably a more consistent and dynamic penetrator as Paul.
Paul is the much better FT shooter, three point shooter and outside shooter.

If Rondo improves his shooting, which he recently has shown signs of doing, and get to be a mediocre outside shooter, he will be probably the second best to third best PG in the league. Almost as good a PG as Paul. Of all the skills that can be improved by players long term, shooting is the easiest to improve on, besides defense.

2 years from now I could see Rondo being one of the three best PGs in the league. I don't think he'll ever be as good as Paul, with that I agree with. But at his salary and with his experiences, I'ld rather have Rondo if it means giving up Ray to get him.

I liken the comparison more to would you trade Ray, Kevin Durant and Thabo Sefolosha, a 1st and a 2nd and cash to Cleveland for LeBron, Darnell Jackson, and Jawad Williams? Yes, LeBron is better than Durant and the best at his position but with some improvement Durant will be amongst the 2-3 best SFs in the game and close to LeBron. So do you trade Ray, Thabo picks and cash for Darnell Jackson and Jawad Williams if you think in a couple years Durant will be almost LeBron's equal, but not quite?

That's the way I see it.

I would trade Durrant and Ray to get Lebron in a heart beat.


Lebron is that much better.

[moiso]

Something else about the Paul/Rondo comparison.  We've seen Rondo dominate when he wants to- like in the playoffs against the Bulls.  Chris Paul doesn't have an off switch.  He's a killer like Kobe.

[Bahku]

I have to agree with wdheeli on this one.  Rondo is great but Paul is elite.  To me it's like comparing Pierce with Lebron or Kobe.  We know Pierce is great but...

EXACTLY ... and I'd rather have Pierce ANY day than Kobe or LeBron ... their arrogance and selfishness precedes them, and they would NEVER fit into an Ubuntu-type game-plan. Paul Pierce is more of a team-minded player than they will EVER be, so save the stats, I already know how "wunnerful" these "Elite" players are stat-wise ... I'll take the Truth, thank you, and Celtic Pride. (Can you imagine Red taking on a Kobe or LeBron or CP3? No way.)

[housecall]

If you got Pega to play the 2or3who will you get to play the 40games he possibly will not play?

[wdleehi]

To me, it is simple.


The NBA is still about having the star players.  This trade gives away two good player for one of top 5 stars for the next decade.  


And it doesn't close the title window this year.  Someone explain to me how a team with KG, Pierce and Paul is not a favorite?  

[indeedproceed]

I'd trade Rondo for Paul easy peasy.

I do however have an issue with completely losing any credible player at the 2 position.

Where are people getting this idea that Pierce can still play the 2? He's too slow for some 3's now..he can't hang with the athletic 2's out there...then with Peja at the 3, all our wing defense is gone.

[wdleehi]

If you got Pega to play the 2or3who will you get to play the 40games he possibly will not play?

Daniels and TA.


Of course this is an exageration.  Peja missed only 21 games last year.  5 games the year before. 

[Coach]

I will have none of it. I believe our future lies in Rondo and Perk and trading them, imo, would be like hitting the self-destruct button.

ummm...if we get Chris Paul, I think our future would be in good hands.

[Roy Hobbs]

I liken the comparison more to would you trade Ray, Kevin Durant and Thabo Sefolosha, a 1st and a 2nd and cash to Cleveland for LeBron, Darnell Jackson, and Jawad Williams? Yes, LeBron is better than Durant and the best at his position but with some improvement Durant will be amongst the 2-3 best SFs in the game and close to LeBron. So do you trade Ray, Thabo picks and cash for Darnell Jackson and Jawad Williams if you think in a couple years Durant will be almost LeBron's equal, but not quite?

In that deal, I trade for Lebron, even though I think Durant is closer to being an elite superstar than Rondo is.