Tony Allen for Backup Point Guard?

[wdleehi]

TA with the ball and having to make decisions is only a good thing for the other team. 

The thing is, with Tony it is a double-edged sword.  If he does not have the ball in his hands, he is completely useless on offense, because he cannot shoot, and it seems like he still makes the same amount of dumb plays, whether he has the ball or not...and at least if he has the ball in his hands, he makes some good plays as well to start to offset the bad ones.

But to have the ball in his hands on this team when they are healthy, you would be taking it out of the hands of vastly superior players.

So what I am saying is that they need to trade him while his value is slightly higher, because as soon as the regulars come back, bad Tony will return.

TA starting next to a guy that can get him the ball within two dribbles of TA's shot can be a good player.

TA will not be in that position when everyone returns.


That's why I agree with you that trading TA after a good run as a starter is a good idea.

[wdleehi]

I don't want to see either Ray or TA having to be the PG. 

[Chris]

TA with the ball and having to make decisions is only a good thing for the other team. 

The thing is, with Tony it is a double-edged sword.  If he does not have the ball in his hands, he is completely useless on offense, because he cannot shoot, and it seems like he still makes the same amount of dumb plays, whether he has the ball or not...and at least if he has the ball in his hands, he makes some good plays as well to start to offset the bad ones.

But to have the ball in his hands on this team when they are healthy, you would be taking it out of the hands of vastly superior players.

So what I am saying is that they need to trade him while his value is slightly higher, because as soon as the regulars come back, bad Tony will return.

TA starting next to a guy that can get him the ball within two dribbles of TA's shot can be a good player.

See, I don't think so, because he has played with Rondo at times, and still is a net negative.  I really think it is a focus thing.  He does not focus if he is not a focal point of the offense.

[BballTim]

TA with the ball and having to make decisions is only a good thing for the other team. 

The thing is, with Tony it is a double-edged sword.  If he does not have the ball in his hands, he is completely useless on offense, because he cannot shoot, and it seems like he still makes the same amount of dumb plays, whether he has the ball or not...and at least if he has the ball in his hands, he makes some good plays as well to start to offset the bad ones.

But to have the ball in his hands on this team when they are healthy, you would be taking it out of the hands of vastly superior players.

So what I am saying is that they need to trade him while his value is slightly higher, because as soon as the regulars come back, bad Tony will return.

TA starting next to a guy that can get him the ball within two dribbles of TA's shot can be a good player.

See, I don't think so, because he has played with Rondo at times, and still is a net negative.  I really think it is a focus thing.  He does not focus if he is not a focal point of the offense.

  I don't think this is really true. Tony does better with Rondo on the court with him (obviously better turnovers and generally a better +/-) and is generally a net positive playing with Rondo.

[Rondo_is_better]

We've tried this before. It doesn't work.

[Chris]

TA with the ball and having to make decisions is only a good thing for the other team. 

The thing is, with Tony it is a double-edged sword.  If he does not have the ball in his hands, he is completely useless on offense, because he cannot shoot, and it seems like he still makes the same amount of dumb plays, whether he has the ball or not...and at least if he has the ball in his hands, he makes some good plays as well to start to offset the bad ones.

But to have the ball in his hands on this team when they are healthy, you would be taking it out of the hands of vastly superior players.

So what I am saying is that they need to trade him while his value is slightly higher, because as soon as the regulars come back, bad Tony will return.

TA starting next to a guy that can get him the ball within two dribbles of TA's shot can be a good player.

See, I don't think so, because he has played with Rondo at times, and still is a net negative.  I really think it is a focus thing.  He does not focus if he is not a focal point of the offense.

  I don't think this is really true. Tony does better with Rondo on the court with him (obviously better turnovers and generally a better +/-) and is generally a net positive playing with Rondo.

I think you missed the point.  Yes, he is better with Rondo on the floor (as is everyone), but he is still a net negative.  He is only a consistently productive player when he is a primary focus of the offense.  He does not need to be playing PG, but he needs to be given the ball in his hands quite often.  If he is asked to play as the 4th wing, and be on the backside of the play (which he should be if this team is healthy), then he hurts more than he helps.

[BballTim]

TA with the ball and having to make decisions is only a good thing for the other team. 

The thing is, with Tony it is a double-edged sword.  If he does not have the ball in his hands, he is completely useless on offense, because he cannot shoot, and it seems like he still makes the same amount of dumb plays, whether he has the ball or not...and at least if he has the ball in his hands, he makes some good plays as well to start to offset the bad ones.

But to have the ball in his hands on this team when they are healthy, you would be taking it out of the hands of vastly superior players.

So what I am saying is that they need to trade him while his value is slightly higher, because as soon as the regulars come back, bad Tony will return.

TA starting next to a guy that can get him the ball within two dribbles of TA's shot can be a good player.

See, I don't think so, because he has played with Rondo at times, and still is a net negative.  I really think it is a focus thing.  He does not focus if he is not a focal point of the offense.

  I don't think this is really true. Tony does better with Rondo on the court with him (obviously better turnovers and generally a better +/-) and is generally a net positive playing with Rondo.

I think you missed the point.  Yes, he is better with Rondo on the floor (as is everyone), but he is still a net negative.  He is only a consistently productive player when he is a primary focus of the offense.  He does not need to be playing PG, but he needs to be given the ball in his hands quite often.  If he is asked to play as the 4th wing, and be on the backside of the play (which he should be if this team is healthy), then he hurts more than he helps.

  I don't think I did miss the point. We generally outscore opponents when Tony's on the floor, so I don't think I'd classify him as a net negative. Our offense is generally worse when he plays but our defense is generally better. I'm less concerned about how productive Tony Allen is as how productive the team is with him playing, and we seem to do ok with him in the game since KG and Ray got here.