Walker, William?

[wdleehi]

Whatever JR has shown Doc in practice, Walker has not shown the same level.

How do you know? I guess Tom Brady didn't bring it in practice back when Drew was getting the starts. (I'm not comparing Walker to Brady, just making a point). Coaches can be wrong.

Because Doc picked JR to play, not Walker. 

JR must have shown more in practice. 


And there is something QB like Bledsoe could do, look really good in practice.  He knew how to run and offense and could make any throw. 

Who cares what Bledsoe could do? Tom is and always was a far superior QB, but he didn't see the field. I guess he didn't "bring enough" in practice.

Well, at the time he was a QB that had taken the Pats to a Super Bowl.  He had a 63-60 record as a starter (including the Pete Carrol years).  He wasn't just another "bench player"  He was the starting QB for 8 years at that point.



Honestly, are we really comparing JR and Walker to Bledsoe and Brady?  Should we be looking at some late round QBs that stuck around a season or two and then disappeared? 

[BudweiserCeltic]

What Doc should do is stop playing Scal as a SF. I have no problems with him, he just sucks as a SF.

Scal's biggest strength is stretching the floor from the 4 position, and being a big man help defender. As a SF, his weaknesses are accentuated and his strengths diminished.

So, there certainly was an opportunity to play Bill here and still keep the 10 man rotation Doc used. Bench Williams, insert Scal at the 4 and play Walker a bit at the 3. I guarantee that the unit would have played much much better than the crap that Doc threw out there with our bench.

[wdleehi]

What Doc should do is stop playing Scal as a SF. I have no problems with him, he just sucks as a SF.

Scal's biggest strength is stretching the floor from the 4 position, and being a big man help defender. As a SF, his weaknesses are accentuated and his strengths diminished.

So, there certainly was an opportunity to play Bill here and still keep the 10 man rotation Doc used. Bench Williams, insert Scal at the 4 and play Walker a bit at the 3. I guarantee that the unit would have played much much better than the crap that Doc threw out there with our bench.

Which makes you wonder, what is Walker showing (or not showing) at practice that Doc will continue using Scali.

[BudweiserCeltic]

What Doc should do is stop playing Scal as a SF. I have no problems with him, he just sucks as a SF.

Scal's biggest strength is stretching the floor from the 4 position, and being a big man help defender. As a SF, his weaknesses are accentuated and his strengths diminished.

So, there certainly was an opportunity to play Bill here and still keep the 10 man rotation Doc used. Bench Williams, insert Scal at the 4 and play Walker a bit at the 3. I guarantee that the unit would have played much much better than the crap that Doc threw out there with our bench.

Which makes you wonder, what is Walker showing (or not showing) at practice that Doc will continue using Scali.

Again, zero problem with him using Scal. He's just not using him right. Plus, I doubt Walker has had much time to practice with the team anyways.

What I do know is that having Williams, Baby, and Scal together is a mistake particularly against a team like Toronto.

Don't want to insert Walker? Fine, just put Tony, Ray, or Giddens back in at the 3. But having Williams in there, forcing Scal to the 3 was simply a bad combination of players.

Other than Hudson, with a -1, Williams was the only one with a negative plus-minus with a -10. The prove is there, and it showed while watching the game.

[wdleehi]

Having this discussion, I am forced to think of the issue the Celtics draft has had since they got KG.



The Spurs keep picking before Boston.  Seem like they and the Celtics look at the same type of players. 

[Bankshot]

What Doc should do is stop playing Scal as a SF. I have no problems with him, he just sucks as a SF.

Scal's biggest strength is stretching the floor from the 4 position, and being a big man help defender. As a SF, his weaknesses are accentuated and his strengths diminished.

So, there certainly was an opportunity to play Bill here and still keep the 10 man rotation Doc used. Bench Williams, insert Scal at the 4 and play Walker a bit at the 3. I guarantee that the unit would have played much much better than the crap that Doc threw out there with our bench.

Which makes you wonder, what is Walker showing (or not showing) at practice that Doc will continue using Scali.

Again, zero problem with him using Scal. He's just not using him right. Plus, I doubt Walker has had much time to practice with the team anyways.

What I do know is that having Williams, Baby, and Scal together is a mistake particularly against a team like Toronto.

Don't want to insert Walker? Fine, just put Tony, Ray, or Giddens back in at the 3. But having Williams in there, forcing Scal to the 3 was simply a bad combination of players.

Other than Hudson, with a -1, Williams was the only one with a negative plus-minus with a -10. The prove is there, and it showed while watching the game.

I don't think having Williams in there forced Scal to play the 3, because Doc was going to play Scal at the 3 whether Williams played or not. That's what Doc has been doing with Scal. I think Williams is now showing in games why Doc has pretty much replaced him in the rotation.  He has terrible hands, and aside from rebounding (which he didn't even do last night), he doesn't bring that much to the table.

I think when everyone is healthy, Williams will be the odd man out in favor of Davis and Scal.  That's unfortunate though, because Scal is an awful player.

[Donoghus]

We may slowly be getting ourselves into Mr. Potential Jr. territory with this kid. 

I have to think the organization has reservations about this kid's ability on the court whether its lack of effect, low basketball IQ, ineffective defensive abilities, whatever.  They're seeing this kid in pratices, D-League games, etc.  I'm trusting their judgement on this on. 

[Bankshot]

We may slowly be getting ourselves into Mr. Potential Jr. territory with this kid. 

I have to think the organization has reservations about this kid's ability on the court whether its lack of effect, low basketball IQ, ineffective defensive abilities, whatever.  They're seeing this kid in pratices, D-League games, etc.  I'm trusting their judgement on this on. 

The last thing I remember about Walker was the last time he got NBA playing time, he fouled out in 5 minutes if I remember correctly.

[wiley]

This blog is full of confident G.M.'s who somehow know everything about people who've never played...

If a guy makes the N.B.A., the hardest pro-league in the world to make imo, he deserves some respect, even if he's on the bench.

How are Bill Walker and J.R. supposed to have already earned minutes on a team like the Celtics with Ray, Paul, Marquis Daniels, TA, House, etc...

It's fine to have opinions on players, but ease up on the know-it-all tone and stop staying crap you'd sooner crap your pants than say to the player's face...

[wdleehi]

This blog is full of confident G.M.'s who somehow know everything about people who've never played...

If a guy makes the N.B.A., the hardest pro-league in the world to make imo, he deserves some respect, even if he's on the bench.

How are Bill Walker and J.R. supposed to have already earned minutes on a team like the Celtics with Ray, Paul, Marquis Daniels, TA, House, etc...

It's fine to have opinions on players, but ease up on the know-it-all tone and stop staying crap you'd sooner crap your pants than say to the player's face...

No.


We have a blog full of posters who are trusting the Celtics observations and opinions on these players that can not even get a run when there are a ton of players out. 

[wiley]

This blog is full of confident G.M.'s who somehow know everything about people who've never played...

If a guy makes the N.B.A., the hardest pro-league in the world to make imo, he deserves some respect, even if he's on the bench.

How are Bill Walker and J.R. supposed to have already earned minutes on a team like the Celtics with Ray, Paul, Marquis Daniels, TA, House, etc...

It's fine to have opinions on players, but ease up on the know-it-all tone and stop staying crap you'd sooner crap your pants than say to the player's face...

No.


We have a blog full of posters who are trusting the Celtics observations and opinions on these players that can not even get a run when there are a ton of players out. 

I think Walker's DNP was all-about having to choose between him and Giddens and riding with it....Not sure we can say how far below Giddens Walker is.  It might be less than a blip...
(plus Gidden's defensive capabilities....)

[wdleehi]

This blog is full of confident G.M.'s who somehow know everything about people who've never played...

If a guy makes the N.B.A., the hardest pro-league in the world to make imo, he deserves some respect, even if he's on the bench.

How are Bill Walker and J.R. supposed to have already earned minutes on a team like the Celtics with Ray, Paul, Marquis Daniels, TA, House, etc...

It's fine to have opinions on players, but ease up on the know-it-all tone and stop staying crap you'd sooner crap your pants than say to the player's face...

No.


We have a blog full of posters who are trusting the Celtics observations and opinions on these players that can not even get a run when there are a ton of players out. 

I think Walker's DNP was all-about having to choose between him and Giddens and riding with it....Not sure we can say how far below Giddens Walker is.  It might be less than a blip...
(plus Gidden's defensive capabilities....)

I don't think their is many that are saying JR is far ahead of Walker.  Most are saying that he must have shown more to the coaches in practice.  And whatever both are showing, it is not enough to push Scali out as the backup SF. 

[moiso]

I have no expectations for Giddens or Walker.  I'm still not convinced Walker is an NBA player and I am certain that Giddens is not.  Hudson, on the other hand, looks like he could provide scoring and defense at the backup point guard spot.

[snively]

Giddens was pretty bad, but he was a good soldier.  He hustled on defense, ran to his spots, and tried to feed his teammates whenever he had the ball.  I think he's shown Doc that he's embracing the role player role model.  Combine that with his defensive versatility (he guarded the 1-3 spots with moderate effectiveness last night) and you see why he has the edge on Bill Walker.  But I think Bill only has a little ways to go to leapfrog him.  It's not as if JR was lights out defensively, so Billy just has to match his effort.

Nor did JR demonstrate much offensive competence.  A willing passer yes, but he wasted about 5 open looks by dribbling in between his legs before making a decision. 

That's one area where Walker definitely has shown more aptitude in his short pro career.  If the shot's open he'll take it confidently and if not he'll swing the ball. 

I still think Walker's got the better chance of hanging with the team long-term.

[wdleehi]

Giddens was pretty bad, but he was a good soldier.  He hustled on defense, ran to his spots, and tried to feed his teammates whenever he had the ball.  I think he's shown Doc that he's embracing the role player role model.  Combine that with his defensive versatility (he guarded the 1-3 spots with moderate effectiveness last night) and you see why he has the edge on Bill Walker.  But I think Bill only has a little ways to go to leapfrog him.  It's not as if JR was lights out defensively, so Billy just has to match his effort.

Nor did JR demonstrate much offensive competence.  A willing passer yes, but he wasted about 5 open looks by dribbling in between his legs before making a decision. 

That's one area where Walker definitely has shown more aptitude in his short pro career.  If the shot's open he'll take it confidently and if not he'll swing the ball. 

I still think Walker's got the better chance of hanging with the team long-term.

When?  Has he ever played and extended minutes in a real NBA game?