Bored oversized trade idea with Bos, DC and Chi

[Donoghus]

I really hate Hinrich's contract and the fact we'd be paying a bench player (for us) over $9 million a year for the next 2.5 years makes me pass on this.

I think our resources can be spent better. 

[KungPoweChicken]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

[nickagneta]

I like the trade and I think it's the exact type of trade Danny would make if he were to trade Ray Allen. Danny has voiced his theory of not hanging onto older players until they aren't worth the money they are being paid. he is famous for his criticism of Red Auerbach and the Celtics holding onto the older Big Three too long.

Ray is now making $19 million a year which, quite honestly, means he is being vastly overpaid for what he can now accomplish on the basketball court on a day in day out basis. I am not 100% sure that Danny won't trade Ray this year, but I am pretty sure he won't. But is he does, this is just the type of trade he will make.

[wdleehi]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

1) Chicago dumps 9.5 million the next two years.  Enough to go after more then one FA.  (Wade plus someone else)

2) DC is in "win now" mode.  They do not think they stink.  They think they are ready to win now.  Why else are they trading the youngest of their so called "big three"?

[ssspence]

who stretches the floor? this trade trashes our spacing. it's an underestimated part of ray's presence, and heinrich and butler both pour salt on the wound.

[greenhead85]

I like the trade. Ray could easily give DC an instant offense side by side with Agent Zero but they give up a very good rebounder/defender in Caron. But as the season ends, DC will now have the luxury of Ray's expiring contract which they can utilize better for their future. True, Hinrich is a 2nd unit player of the Bulls but only when they got other players like Rose and back then Gordon and some injuries did he ever relinquish his starting spot. Hinrich is as good as any PG/SG in a first unit on any team. He reminds me of Jeff Hornacek, very efficient/reliable. Remember the time when the Bulls were beating us handily in the early to mid 2000? It was Hinrich's PG chores and wit that beat us. He directed plays and moved the ball excellently.

In Ray, we basically give up a lot of points from young, athletic, and talented SGs. He's getting abused by these type of players and worse part is that he ain't getting any respect anymore from opposing players and the refs alike.

I'm all for it if Danny pulls this one.

[MVP]

I don't like the Hinrich part. He is just too expensive for a backup, especially when he plays the same position as Rondo - the guy we just signed to a long extension. He has been struggling coming off the bench in Chicago shooting just 36%, what makes you think it will be any different here?

As for Butler for Ray, it's a close call but I would lean against it. It's too dangerous to disrupt the chemistry of the starting 5 midway through the season. Rondo/Ray/Pierce/KG/Perk have a very good chemistry going and each knows his role. If you replace one of them with Butler, who has a similar game to Pierce, they might get in each other's way. We have a pretty good chance at a title this year - wouldn't wanna mess that up by doing somewhat of a lateral trade.

[slamtheking]

Interesting idea and the concept is a good one --> improve the SG slot with a younger player under a longer contract and to provide a solid backup PG off the bench.

Ignoring Hinrich's contract, my main concern at this time is moving TA for Hinrich.  In a perfect world, I'd make that swap with no reservations.  Unfortunately, Marquis is out for another 1-2 months and PP is out for another couple of games probably.  At this point in time, TA fills the bigger hole on this team so I wouldn't make the deal.

If Marquis is healthy at the trading deadline and Wyc is willing to take on Hinrich's deal, I'd strongly consider the trade with the only reservation being the possible disruption to team chemistry.  Having Butler and Hinrich going into next year would address a number of issues with the expiring deals this year-->no need to resign House or TA when you have Hinrich and hopefully Daniels (partial MLE contract-->also assuming Doc won't be playing Walker) back on the roster.

[dasandruler]

I tend to agree with green head about allen getting abused on D by bigger more athletic types...to his credit he seems to be more efficient with his 3chucking selection, team D, and slashing to da rim more<here we go with the infamous team D compliment>....but he's still too johnstarksian for me.
Much as im intrigued to jettison dat azz....him gone might have a ripple effect with chemistry, and possibly even serve as a distraction.  Don't get it twisted though, I aint worried about this "spacing" thing w/o rayray. Who do you fear more: three point threats, or some ball hawking baaahstad getting easy two's inside and owning your glass.  If I could get butler and maneuver to keep ray...Id bring ray off da bench<doc can still continue his love affair with playin ray>, and get a cot so E.house can go take a nap....right next to--cant catch a break baby glenn. 

[wdleehi]

Interesting idea and the concept is a good one --> improve the SG slot with a younger player under a longer contract and to provide a solid backup PG off the bench.

Ignoring Hinrich's contract, my main concern at this time is moving TA for Hinrich.  In a perfect world, I'd make that swap with no reservations.  Unfortunately, Marquis is out for another 1-2 months and PP is out for another couple of games probably.  At this point in time, TA fills the bigger hole on this team so I wouldn't make the deal.

If Marquis is healthy at the trading deadline and Wyc is willing to take on Hinrich's deal, I'd strongly consider the trade with the only reservation being the possible disruption to team chemistry.  Having Butler and Hinrich going into next year would address a number of issues with the expiring deals this year-->no need to resign House or TA when you have Hinrich and hopefully Daniels (partial MLE contract-->also assuming Doc won't be playing Walker) back on the roster.

Actually, that's not that big of a problem.


Hinrich is big enough to start at SG until Pierce comes back.  Scali would still be the backup. 

[celts55]

I give this trade my okay, like anyone cares. While I've always been a big Ray fan, it's hard not to see that he's getting to the end of a great career. I don't care what Hinrick makes, if the Celtics are willing to pay him. I think from a basketball stand point, he's exactly the kind of guy the Celts could use of the bench. He can back up the 1 or 2 ans strat if needed at either position. I would use him at the 2 as opposed to the streaky House. And Butler is a very good young player who can score, rebound and plays pretty good D. While I would miss Ray, I really can't see how Danny would turn this trade down, except for the money of course.

[KungPoweChicken]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

1) Chicago dumps 9.5 million the next two years.  Enough to go after more then one FA.  (Wade plus someone else)

2) DC is in "win now" mode.  They do not think they stink.  They think they are ready to win now.  Why else are they trading the youngest of their so called "big three"?

I have no idea. If they are in "win now mode," why would they trade their best player for an old, almost washed up guy?

Jamison is 33 years old, and Ray is 34 years old. You think Washington is going to take the league by storm with two aging jump shooters who play no defense? Sounds like an instant title for the Wiz.

[wdleehi]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

1) Chicago dumps 9.5 million the next two years.  Enough to go after more then one FA.  (Wade plus someone else)

2) DC is in "win now" mode.  They do not think they stink.  They think they are ready to win now.  Why else are they trading the youngest of their so called "big three"?

I have no idea. If they are in "win now mode," why would they trade their best player for an old, almost washed up guy?

Jamison is 33 years old, and Ray is 34 years old. You think Washington is going to take the league by storm with two aging jump shooters who play no defense? Sounds like an instant title for the Wiz.

I live outside of DC so I get way to much Wiz coverage. 


They are built around Gilbert.  Gilbert and Butler are not getting along.  Therefor, they are looking to move Gilbert. 

Even today, there is a report about the coach getting ready to shake up the lineup.  He says he is in DC not to make the playoffs but to win a title. 


They still think they are a top team that just needs an adjustment.

[housecall]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

1) Chicago dumps 9.5 million the next two years.  Enough to go after more then one FA.  (Wade plus someone else)

2) DC is in "win now" mode.  They do not think they stink.  They think they are ready to win now.  Why else are they trading the youngest of their so called "big three"?

I have no idea. If they are in "win now mode," why would they trade their best player for an old, almost washed up guy?

Jamison is 33 years old, and Ray is 34 years old. You think Washington is going to take the league by storm with two aging jump shooters who play no defense? Sounds like an instant title for the Wiz.

I live outside of DC so I get way to much Wiz coverage. 


They are built around Gilbert.  Gilbert and Butler are not getting along.  Therefor, they are looking to move Gilbert. 

Even today, there is a report about the coach getting ready to shake up the lineup.  He says he is in DC not to make the playoffs but to win a title. 


They still think they are a top team that just needs an adjustment.

I have been watching a lot of Wiz bball lately also...it seems like NBA.tv has some sort of special deal w/them.From what my eyeballs tell me i wouldn't use  Earl Boykins as much and start playing Foye more.Wasn't Boykins brought in when Foye was out injured... they needed to use him till Randy returned?Now that he's back,they are still using Boykins most of the time in 4th quarters.Its like having 4shooters on the floor when they really need a facilitator(Foye)down the stretch in many games.They have lost some close ones because of not having the right pg in the game at times.Im not a big fan of Gilbert anyhow,but he has cost them some games.   

[KungPoweChicken]

Chicago gets nothing in this deal, and Boston gets too much. I don't see why Washington would do it. They don't even get a solid young player to rebuild with. If Washington is trading Butler, they are not trying to "win now." News flash: They suck. Arenas and Jamison are already old and can't win; how is Ray going to help? They need to get rid of their guys and start completely new. It's over for them. But Washington just can't give their players away. They need young players with potential, not JR Giddens.

1) Chicago dumps 9.5 million the next two years.  Enough to go after more then one FA.  (Wade plus someone else)

2) DC is in "win now" mode.  They do not think they stink.  They think they are ready to win now.  Why else are they trading the youngest of their so called "big three"?

I have no idea. If they are in "win now mode," why would they trade their best player for an old, almost washed up guy?

Jamison is 33 years old, and Ray is 34 years old. You think Washington is going to take the league by storm with two aging jump shooters who play no defense? Sounds like an instant title for the Wiz.

I live outside of DC so I get way to much Wiz coverage. 


They are built around Gilbert.  Gilbert and Butler are not getting along.  Therefor, they are looking to move Gilbert. 

Even today, there is a report about the coach getting ready to shake up the lineup.  He says he is in DC not to make the playoffs but to win a title. 


They still think they are a top team that just needs an adjustment.

Well, what do you want Flip to say--"I'm here in DC not to win a championship, but to stink up the place!" I'm sure that would go over well with the fans.