Was Bill Kennedy looking to eject Wallace?

[moiso]

Dominant in the post?  He hasn't dominated at anything.

[Drucci]

Meaningless stats?  How about these stats 39% FG %.  29% from behind the arc.  The guy has been pretty bad offensively and takes a ton of bad shots.  I'm not sure what games you have been watching.

The stats moiso was referring to were the "per48minutes shots attempts" which put Sheed in front of KG, Pierce, and others in terms of shots attempted when we will all know that he attempts fewer shots than them in every game, maybe except when the 2nd units plays a lot because it's a blowout game.

If you want to talk about Sheed's percentages, they are not that good because he went through a severe slump during weeks and it hurt his percentages a lot. However, almost all the shots he took during that stretch were good, uncontested looks. He just didn't hit them.

If you look at Rasheed's stats during the winning streak and in December, they are very good however. And it's not justs stats. Have you watched the Celtics play lately? You can't honestly tell me you didn't see Rasheed getting in the post almost everytime he got the ball, taking fewer 3's, and hitting a lot of shots in the or near the paint thanks to his post moves. Read this article if you have not : http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/12/15/1201744/sheed-doin-work-in-the-paint#storyjump

Sheed was awful offensively during a stretch in November but he has been terrific since. His D has always been good this season (it tends to be overlooked and can't be measured by stats). And it's no surprise that Doc and his teammates are praising Sheed lately, because he his playing very well, but it seems that some haters can't accept this reality.

Moiso, could you please add some arguments to your "analysis"? I can, too, state "He hasn't dominated at anything", without using any arguments when I'm obviously refusing the reality by saying so.

[moiso]

I can't believe the free pass Wallace gets.  Bloggers complain about the character of Nate Robinson, Lebron, Marbury, Iverson, etc.  But we have the biggest jerk in the league on our team- Rasheed.  And what a ballhog.  I just checked the per 48minute stats for shot attempts.  1.Wallace 20.5 attempts per 48min. 2. KG 17.7 attempts. 3. Ray 16.8 attempts 4. Paul 16.2 attempts per 48.  There is something seriously wrong with those numbers.  And it's not like Wallace is hitting them, he's just jacking them up.

You must not have seen a lot of Celtics game this year... your point is totally bogus, you're refering to advanced stats which are totally inacurrate.

It's true that Sheed jacks up 3's sometimes but it's usually when the team has big leads or after he has scored many points in the paint. You can blame for it but if you do then blame Eddie, Ray, Paul, and the rest of the team for shooting from long distance when they have a confortable lead instead of attacking the paint. Sheed isn't the only one to do it.

He is dominant in the post, makes the 2nd unit's offense run in the absence of Marquis because of his size and excellent post moves, he makes good passes, defends very well, gets steals and blocks... but yeah, you're right Sheed is a terrible player who attempts 20 shots per game if you refer to meaningless stats to prove your point.

Sheed can be frustrating at times, like every other player, but I really love his personality and his game. He contributes a lot to this team and we would never have won 11 straight games if he wasn't on this team. It's time for you to get over your personal hate of Sheed and give him credit where credit is due.

Seriously, comparing Sheed to Iverson or Robinson is ridiculous... the guy is one of the rare "we, not me" players in the league and you compare him to the biggest ballhogs of this decade. Stunning.

Robinson is at 20.9 attempts per 48.  Wallace 20.5, Iverson 17.5.  How is it ridiculous to compare them.  I'm talking about THIS year, not what you think you saw in the past.  I see a guy who knows he's not going to play over 20-25minutes so he comes out gunning so he can still finish in double figures in those minutes.  That seems like "I" not "we".

[Drucci]

Your stats are bogus even if they are from this year. Sheed doesn't attempt more shots than Ray, KG or Pierce when he comes into the game. Your stats claim so when using "maneuvers" to put it on 48 minutes estimation or whatever, but look at the boxscores and you will see that your point is false.

Like I said in my previous post (please read it) he occasionnally takes more shots than them when the 2nd unit plays as many minutes as the starters. No surprise since he is the best scorer we have on our bench and the only one who can create his shot in the absence of Marquis. It's normal that he takes more shots when Marquis is out.

I don't hear you complain about Eddie House while he is struggling from the field these past few weeks, and not as productive as Sheed is. Eddie attempts a lot more shots than Sheed too.

[moiso]

Your stats are bogus even if they are from this year. Sheed doesn't attempt more shots than Ray, KG or Pierce when he comes into the game. Your stats claim so when using "maneuvers" to put it on 48 minutes estimation or whatever, but look at the boxscores and you will see that your point is false.

Like I said in my previous post (please read it) he occasionnally takes more shots than them when the 2nd unit plays as many minutes as the starters. No surprise since he is the best scorer we have on our bench and the only one who can create his shot in the absence of Marquis. It's normal that he takes more shots when Marquis is out.

I don't hear you complain about Eddie House while he is struggling from the field these past few weeks, and not as productive as Sheed is. Eddie attempts a lot more shots than Sheed too.

I don't think you understand per48 min stats.  He does take more shots when he's out there than any of the big 3.  That is a fact.

[DunkinDutchman]

He is saying that Wallace plays a lot of his minutes in absence of the big 3 being on the floor.  When he comes in he is the MAIN scorer with the second unit.  When you have 1 main scorer instead of 3, the 1 main scorer may take more shots per 48 minutes than any single one of the big 3.

This is why watching the games is important because it gives context to the statistics. He's not taking shots away from Paul and KG, he is running the offense with the second unit.

[BballTim]

I can't believe the free pass Wallace gets.  Bloggers complain about the character of Nate Robinson, Lebron, Marbury, Iverson, etc.  But we have the biggest jerk in the league on our team- Rasheed.  And what a ballhog.  I just checked the per 48minute stats for shot attempts.  1.Wallace 20.5 attempts per 48min. 2. KG 17.7 attempts. 3. Ray 16.8 attempts 4. Paul 16.2 attempts per 48.  There is something seriously wrong with those numbers.  And it's not like Wallace is hitting them, he's just jacking them up.

  One of the bigger reasons that Rasheed takes more shots than the big three is that they usually play together so they have to split the available shots. Rahseed spends a bigger percentage of his time with one or none of them on the court.

[Schupac]

As others have said, there are some very valid reasons Rasheed will be higher in shots per 48.  That's why you can never use stats in a vacuum, they will never ever tell you the whole story.

Back on topic, refs are T happy with Rasheed.  It's like a police officer.  A good police officer will break up a domestic dispute, calm both parties down and never ever lose his/her temper.  A bad police officer will get to the dispute, pick a side and wait for a reason to use that billy club.  Again, a good cop when giving you a speeding ticket will let you vent a little so long as you aren't personally insulting them.  A bad cop will drag you out of the car because you say 'this is bs'.

Some refs go looking for trouble.  And if there is any discipline, which I doubt, the NBA doesn't let anyone know about it (whereas they publicly punish players).

[youcanthandlethetruth113]

Maybe we can try an experiment?

Maybe wire Sheed's mouth shut just like Louis Williams' needed after he broke his jaw?

Sheed would be limited to not being able to talk and he would lose weight (which he needs to do) being on the all-liquid diet.

Thoughts?

[Schupac]

Maybe we can try an experiment?

Maybe wire Sheed's mouth shut just like Louis Williams' needed after he broke his jaw?

Sheed would be limited to not being able to talk and he would lose weight (which he needs to do) being on the all-liquid diet.

Thoughts?

It would never work.  Sheed would learn sign language in 15 minutes flat and hire an interpreter to communicate with the refs.  That or just tear the wiring apart with his teeth.  Bloody, but effective.

[Fafnir]

Your stats are bogus even if they are from this year. Sheed doesn't attempt more shots than Ray, KG or Pierce when he comes into the game. Your stats claim so when using "maneuvers" to put it on 48 minutes estimation or whatever, but look at the boxscores and you will see that your point is false.

Like I said in my previous post (please read it) he occasionnally takes more shots than them when the 2nd unit plays as many minutes as the starters. No surprise since he is the best scorer we have on our bench and the only one who can create his shot in the absence of Marquis. It's normal that he takes more shots when Marquis is out.

I don't hear you complain about Eddie House while he is struggling from the field these past few weeks, and not as productive as Sheed is. Eddie attempts a lot more shots than Sheed too.

I don't think you understand per48 min stats.  He does take more shots when he's out there than any of the big 3.  That is a fact.

That stat isn't worthless by any means, but if you're going to get all stat geeky with per minute numbers, why not go whole hog and look at usage?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=YCY4F

Rasheed does use slightly more possessions than the Big 3, but not as many as you indicate. Simply because unlike the Big 3 he doesn't turn it over all that often.

I'd also have to say that from what I've seen BBalltim is correct. Rasheed mostly has shot so often because when he's out there with bench players we run a lot of plays for him. When in with the starters he moves the ball better.

Regardless I don't think he's a ball hog by any means, unless you think PP/KG/Ray are.

[nickagneta]

Your stats are bogus even if they are from this year. Sheed doesn't attempt more shots than Ray, KG or Pierce when he comes into the game. Your stats claim so when using "maneuvers" to put it on 48 minutes estimation or whatever, but look at the boxscores and you will see that your point is false.

Like I said in my previous post (please read it) he occasionnally takes more shots than them when the 2nd unit plays as many minutes as the starters. No surprise since he is the best scorer we have on our bench and the only one who can create his shot in the absence of Marquis. It's normal that he takes more shots when Marquis is out.

I don't hear you complain about Eddie House while he is struggling from the field these past few weeks, and not as productive as Sheed is. Eddie attempts a lot more shots than Sheed too.

I don't think you understand per48 min stats.  He does take more shots when he's out there than any of the big 3.  That is a fact.

That stat isn't worthless by any means, but if you're going to get all stat geeky with per minute numbers, why not go whole hog and look at usage?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=YCY4F

Rasheed does use slightly more possessions than the Big 3, but not as many as you indicate. Simply because unlike the Big 3 he doesn't turn it over all that often.

I'd also have to say that from what I've seen BBalltim is correct. Rasheed mostly has shot so often because when he's out there with bench players we run a lot of plays for him. When in with the starters he moves the ball better.

Regardless I don't think he's a ball hog by any means, unless you think PP/KG/Ray are.

To further BBall's point as to why Rasheed's usage and per48 numbers are higher than the Big Three's numbers it's because the play the greatest amount of minutes with each other and Rondo and Perk where the focus of the offense is ball movement and even shot distribution unless one particular player gets ungodly hot, at which time you feed that player the ball.

Wallace, on the other hand plays the majority of his minutes with Ray Allen and the rest of the bench players where the offensive philosophies of the team break down due to the lack of a true point guard and the scoring abilities of the players he plays with. For this reason, when Wallace is playing, he is in fact the focal point of the offense, usually with one other player and is expected to carry the scoring load for the units he plays with. That would of course explain the numbers being bandied about.

[Drucci]

Thanks to helping explain what I meant about Sheed's number of shots compared to the Big Three's, you guys made it pretty clear.

[scoop]

I can't believe the free pass Wallace gets.  Bloggers complain about the character of Nate Robinson, Lebron, Marbury, Iverson, etc.  But we have the biggest jerk in the league on our team- Rasheed.  And what a ballhog.  I just checked the per 48minute stats for shot attempts.  1.Wallace 20.5 attempts per 48min. 2. KG 17.7 attempts. 3. Ray 16.8 attempts 4. Paul 16.2 attempts per 48.  There is something seriously wrong with those numbers.  And it's not like Wallace is hitting them, he's just jacking them up.

You must not have seen a lot of Celtics game this year... your point is totally bogus, you're refering to advanced stats which are totally inacurrate.

It's true that Sheed jacks up 3's sometimes but it's usually when the team has big leads or after he has scored many points in the paint.

Sometimes? He's had a few games where he played more inside, but that's been Sheed's modus operandi for a few years now and this season hasn't been an exception. His 3PTA/FGA ratio is 58%. Yeah, he only took 4 more 3 pt shots than Ray, but Ray took almost 100 shots more. Nine shots out of ten are jump-shots. Here's the list of guys who have a 3PTA/FGA ratio higher than Sheed's while shooting less than 35% from the 3pt line and taking more than 2 three pointers per game:
1. Morris Petterson
2. Nobody else

You can blame for it but if you do then blame Eddie, Ray, Paul, and the rest of the team for shooting from long distance when they have a confortable lead instead of attacking the paint. Sheed isn't the only one to do it.

The issue here is that Pierce is shooting 47% from outside (his efficiency will go down), Ray and House 37%. So, it's actually a good thing they're shooting, it's efficient.

Wallace is shooting 29%. Do you get the difference?

He is dominant in the post

Strange concept of dominance. On average, Sheed gives you less than 1 point per game scoring down low - 64% of them are assisted shots and there are a few putbacks and such as well.

defends very well,

Yeah, if he doesn't have to leave the post. Out of that comfort zone, he's decent in his best moments, mediocre most of the time and horrific in some situations.

Seriously, comparing Sheed to Iverson or Robinson is ridiculous... the guy is one of the rare "we, not me" players in the league and you compare him to the biggest ballhogs of this decade. Stunning.

I agree Sheed isn't exactly a ballhog (big men rarely are), but, just out of curiosity, for how long have you been following the league?

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That said, the biggest problem with Wallace is his lack of rebounding - the other stuff was expected and he'll probably regress (i.e. progress) to the mean in his efficiency. The Celtics right now have a big rebounding problem (I doubt a team with such a negative reb. differential had ever won the championship - maybe those Olajuwon Houston teams that would just concede the offensive glass?) and while the blame must be shared Sheed is part of the reason.

[xmuscularghandix]

Dominant in the post?  He hasn't dominated at anything.

Are you serious about this? When Sheed is down there he has more effective moves than anyone in the league.

And Scoop you can probably throw me a stat about how many ppg he has in the post... but i really don't care. If your watching the game you see that he uses people.