Explain 2006 draft (7th Overall) pick traded

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The thing that I don't understand, we had (7th overall) pick but it was magically traded for scrubs. Why was it done? Was the trade done before or after the draft? and Why Randy Foye instead of Rudy Gay?

Looking back we had a chance to get Rudy Gay & Rajon Rondo in one draft. What a combo that would've been!

[GeoDim]

Personally, I'm not too upset with how everything has turned out.

[Toine43]

The thing that I don't understand, we had (7th overall) pick but it was magically traded for scrubs. Why was it done? Was the trade done before or after the draft? and Why Randy Foye instead of Rudy Gay?

Looking back we had a chance to get Rudy Gay & Rajon Rondo in one draft. What a combo that would've been!

Wasn't that pick part of the Rondo deal?

[KCattheStripe]

The thing that I don't understand, we had (7th overall) pick but it was magically traded for scrubs. Why was it done? Was the trade done before or after the draft? and Why Randy Foye instead of Rudy Gay?

Looking back we had a chance to get Rudy Gay & Rajon Rondo in one draft. What a combo that would've been!

Wasn't that pick part of the Rondo deal?

It was part of the Bassy deal.

[Boris Badenov]

The thing that I don't understand, we had (7th overall) pick but it was magically traded for scrubs. Why was it done? Was the trade done before or after the draft? and Why Randy Foye instead of Rudy Gay?

Looking back we had a chance to get Rudy Gay & Rajon Rondo in one draft. What a combo that would've been!

Wasn't that pick part of the Rondo deal?

It was part of the Bassy deal.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/news/story?id=2503245

I prefer to think of it as the Ratliff trade, because of this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

[Roy Hobbs]

We had a pre-arranged deal with Portland to trade our pick and Raef for Telfair and Ratliff.

Ainge liked Telfair's potential, but picking up Ratliff was a huge, huge part of the deal.  He had a contract that expired one year sooner than Raef's.  This was important for one of two reasons:  1) we could package that expiring contract in trades, or 2) we could have let the deal expire to create room under the luxury tax necessary to re-sign our young guys. 

I think it's fair to say that Danny probably misjudged the relative value of Telfair (who was worse than Ainge anticipated) and Roy (who was better).  However, the Ratliff piece was a big one, and it in fact turned out to be a huge asset, as we landed KG the following season.

Had we not made that trade, it's hard to say what would have happened.  We possibly still could have made the KG trade, but would have had to give up Big Al and Roy (but maybe could have kept somebody like Gomes out of the deal).  We might have passed on Roy altogether, and just selected Rondo at #7, as was rumored.  We might have committed to a full youth movement, and decided to trade Paul Pierce. 

It's impossible to tell how things would have turned up, but I'd rather have our current team than a roster like Portland's, full of youth and potential that may never go anywhere.

[Kiorrik]

It's impossible to tell how things would have turned up, but I'd rather have our current team than a roster like Portland's, full of youth and potential that may never go anywhere.

Imagine that; we've already *been* somewhere, since then!

[slamtheking]

We had a pre-arranged deal with Portland to trade our pick and Raef for Telfair and Ratliff.

Ainge liked Telfair's potential, but picking up Ratliff was a huge, huge part of the deal.  He had a contract that expired one year sooner than Raef's.  This was important for one of two reasons:  1) we could package that expiring contract in trades, or 2) we could have let the deal expire to create room under the luxury tax necessary to re-sign our young guys. 

I think it's fair to say that Danny probably misjudged the relative value of Telfair (who was worse than Ainge anticipated) and Roy (who was better).  However, the Ratliff piece was a big one, and it in fact turned out to be a huge asset, as we landed KG the following season.

Had we not made that trade, it's hard to say what would have happened.  We possibly still could have made the KG trade, but would have had to give up Big Al and Roy (but maybe could have kept somebody like Gomes out of the deal).  We might have passed on Roy altogether, and just selected Rondo at #7, as was rumored.  We might have committed to a full youth movement, and decided to trade Paul Pierce. 

It's impossible to tell how things would have turned up, but I'd rather have our current team than a roster like Portland's, full of youth and potential that may never go anywhere.

This came up in another discussion yesterday and I said something very similar.  If we had not made that trade and taken Roy instead, Danny may have had to include Roy with Al (and Raef's contract and etc..) for Minnie to bite on the deal but we may have been able to keep Gomes and/or one of the draft picks.  We probably wouldn't have been able to move the same (or similar) players for KG since Raef's deal wasn't immediately expiring like Ratliff's so Roy would have likely been gone in the trade (but Minnie would have been in a better position now with Roy and Big Al.  (god knows the deal they worked to pick Foye instead of Roy backfired--as the Mchale deals always did).

[Who]

Two part idea = Salary dump + prospect swap

Raef for Ratliff who's contract expired a year earlier + Telfair who was a recent lottery pick, an interesting straight out of High School prospect.

[Eja117]

I guess Roy could have also improved the team to middle of the pack nowhere status taking us far away from the 5th pick we got that we traded for Ray, that attracted KG

[Who]

A Brandon Roy + Paul Pierce + Al Jefferson combination would have been lethal.

A core to a contender.

[the_Bird]

I'm not sure we would have seen a Roy/Pierce/Big Al combo for long.  Pretty clear that Pierce was getting very frustrated with all of the rebuilding, had we not made the deals for Ray Allen and KG I'd be shocked if he wouldn't have asked for a trade.  He might not have gotten traded, but the dynamic would be wholly different.  He'd clearly had just about enough with playing with the young kids. 

[slamtheking]

I'm not sure we would have seen a Roy/Pierce/Big Al combo for long.  Pretty clear that Pierce was getting very frustrated with all of the rebuilding, had we not made the deals for Ray Allen and KG I'd be shocked if he wouldn't have asked for a trade.  He might not have gotten traded, but the dynamic would be wholly different.  He'd clearly had just about enough with playing with the young kids. 

That may have come to pass but PP may have been willing to see it out as well.  Assuming the players we had would have stayed with us (no trades for Ray or KG nor speculation on other deals -- just to make my life simpler here) and Danny made the other moves that weren't related to the Ray/KG deals, the team would have looked something like this:

Starting Line-up
Rondo (Danny still purchases the pick), Roy, PP, Al, Perk.
-->that starting line-up still has 3 prime-time scorers with Rondo and Perk.

Bench
Delonte (hopefully with his act together), TA (hopefully pre-injury-->if the trade with Portland doesn't happen, the moment in the game where he injures himself possibly doesn't come to pass --> go with me on this one on a whole time continuum sort of thing), Gomes, Powe (Danny still acquires this pick), Green/YI-->Danny keeps this pick and either takes the player that was picked or the one he mentioned he wanted--hopefully he takes Green, Giddens, Hudson, Walker (Danny still gets the Walker pick from Washington.  Danny would have also had last year's first rounder to add.  I would also speculate that Telfair, Gerald and Pruitt would not be with the team.

*one speculation that's feasible, if Danny doesn't have 2 2nd round picks when Pruitt and BBD are available and based on the roster mentioned above, Danny may take BBD with C's pick instead of Pruitt.  Not exactly a stretch and would strengthen the "alternative universe" roster.

Add a free agent big man for each of the last two years  with the MLE to back up Al and Perk and that's a team that can get to the ECF if not the finals.  Definitely a lot of depth and a quality starting line-up.

Pure speculation obviously but not necessarily a gloom-and-doom situation.

[LarBrd33]

Eh... things have a way of working out. 

Yesterday I was watching the Celtics in the 2nd quarter.  Memphis was beating us by 5 points and we had Pierce, Sheed, Eddie House, Tony Allen and Shelden Williams on the court.   

For a brief second my mind wandered and I thought I was watching the starting five of some alternate universe Boston Celtics who traded Antoine Walker for Sheed back around 2002, had Eddie House as their starting point guard, had drafted Shelden Williams with a busted lotto pick... and were still toiling away in mediocrity behind a Sheed and Pierce combo.

It was kinda weird.

[Kiorrik]

Eh... things have a way of working out. 

Yesterday I was watching the Celtics in the 2nd quarter.  Memphis was beating us by 5 points and we had Pierce, Sheed, Eddie House, Tony Allen and Shelden Williams on the court.   

For a brief second my mind wandered and I thought I was watching the starting five of some alternate universe Boston Celtics who traded Antoine Walker for Sheed back around 2002, had Eddie House as their starting point guard, had drafted Shelden Williams with a busted lotto pick... and were still toiling away in mediocrity behind a Sheed and Pierce combo.

It was kinda weird.

I had the -exact- same feeling, though I couldn't put it to words. TP.

It was just altogether a weird experience, since it was a line-up alien to us.