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Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 04:04:13 PM »

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I think it is a good trade for the yankees but it will depend on who else, if anyone, they add.  don't discount the production they got from matsui and damon last year, those guys will both probably be gone.  i think xavier nady is a FA too.

sorry but an outfield of granderson, swisher and melky cabrera doesn't necessarily make my knees tremble.  GO SOX

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 04:47:36 PM »

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This is an OK trade for the Yankees.  Granderson will out-produce Damon at a cheaper price so that is a plus.  He will also be playing in a LHH park so that is a plus.  He makes the OF defense very good with Melky and Swish/Gardner/OF to be named later. 

The down side is he has very poor plate discipline.  His doubles, triples and average have dropped precipitously as he has become a flyball hitter, opposed to a line drive hitter.  He won't be facing AL Central pitching on a regular basis, but rather some of the better staffs in the AL in Boston, Tampa and Toronto (if healthy).  He is also abysmal against LHP so he may require a platoon (Nady?). 

That said he is still a top notch player and will probably be better than worse in pinstripes. 

If I was a Yanks fan I would be concerned about the opportunity cost.  This takes them out of the running to trade for a pitcher.  Without Jackson and Kennedy they are down to Montero/Hughes/Joba if they want to trade for a marque pitcher.  This means they either start Phil and Joba at 4/5, go for a rehab project (we know this doesn't always work) or go the FA route and get Lackey. 

So IMO they get marginally better this year, save some money, drive the cost of Halladay (as they most likely won't be suitors - can't see why they'd trade Joba+ or Hughes+ for Halladay when they wouldn't for Santana), Holliday and Josh Johnson down. 

I think this bodes well for the Sox's if they are trying to pursue a trade or Holliday. 

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 05:01:52 PM »

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This is a great trade for the Yankees.  Never mind what production Granderson has at the plate, it's not what the Yankees needed.  Thier outfield defense was terrible last season.  Now they put granderson in center and move Melky to left and thier defense is much. much improved.  Also, if they go with Swisher in right they can pull him for Gardner at the end of close games and pretty much cover the entire outfield. 

As far as what they gave up...Kenedy bombed out in NY, he may trun it around in Detroit (especially with that ball park), apparently Jackson wasn't going to play for them or they would have just called him up, and Coke was incosistant at best. 

As far as further trades, They really don't need another top line pitcher.  They still have thier top two guys, Pettitte (who is still a good big ggame pitcher)should be back, and they expect Joba to finally establish himself with no Joba rules this season.  For the fifth spot they can pretty much trow anyone out there seeing as they won't be pitching durring the play-offs and thier Hitting can keep them in any games.  Not to mention the strill have Chin Ming Wang.  If he's healthy and back to the 19 game winner he was his last healthy season, well, he'll make a decent 5 starter  ;)

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 05:30:21 PM »

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I think the Yankees will target Lackey, who costs them nothing but money.

If they don't, that makes Joba the #4 starter. He's mediocre at best in that role.  IMHO the Yankees will also miss Phil Coke, because Marte is now their only left hander out of the bullpen.


Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 05:30:40 PM »

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This is an OK trade for the Yankees.  Granderson will out-produce Damon at a cheaper price so that is a plus.  He will also be playing in a LHH park so that is a plus.  He makes the OF defense very good with Melky and Swish/Gardner/OF to be named later. 

The down side is he has very poor plate discipline.  His doubles, triples and average have dropped precipitously as he has become a flyball hitter, opposed to a line drive hitter.  He won't be facing AL Central pitching on a regular basis, but rather some of the better staffs in the AL in Boston, Tampa and Toronto (if healthy).  He is also abysmal against LHP so he may require a platoon (Nady?). 

That said he is still a top notch player and will probably be better than worse in pinstripes. 

If I was a Yanks fan I would be concerned about the opportunity cost.  This takes them out of the running to trade for a pitcher.  Without Jackson and Kennedy they are down to Montero/Hughes/Joba if they want to trade for a marque pitcher.  This means they either start Phil and Joba at 4/5, go for a rehab project (we know this doesn't always work) or go the FA route and get Lackey. 

So IMO they get marginally better this year, save some money, drive the cost of Halladay (as they most likely won't be suitors - can't see why they'd trade Joba+ or Hughes+ for Halladay when they wouldn't for Santana), Holliday and Josh Johnson down. 

I think this bodes well for the Sox's if they are trying to pursue a trade or Holliday. 

he was bad against lefty's last year, but hasnt been as bad ever in his career. 

as for trading for pitchers - they could easily acquire any pitcher available in a trade with a combination of montero and one of hughes or joba.  it stinks, but Montero is considered a beast (and a catcher, although there are doubts he can remain at catcher).


Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2009, 05:53:08 PM »

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I think the Yankees answere to losing Coke will be Mike Gonzales.(sp.??) If he's not offered a closers role by some one and has to settel for being a set up man I think the Yanks will go hard at him.

As far as Montero goes, I don't see the Yankees trading him.  At least not this season.  I think they see him as the replacement for Jorge Posada.  They are basically the same player, really good hitter, especially for a catcher, but only an O.K. Catcher. Now, if they got a great offer for him, well, they'd probably go for it.  But I don't think he will be traded as part of as big package (i.e. it will be him as the center peice of the trade with another minor leaguer or two), or for a non-all-star calliber player.   

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2009, 05:57:51 PM »

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As far as Montero goes, I don't see the Yankees trading him.  At least not this season.  I think they see him as the replacement for Jorge Posada.  They are basically the same player, really good hitter, especially for a catcher, but only an O.K. Catcher. Now, if they got a great offer for him, well, they'd probably go for it.  But I don't think he will be traded as part of as big package (i.e. it will be him as the center peice of the trade with another minor leaguer or two), or for a non-all-star calliber player.   

I dont think you will ever see montero play Catcher for the yankee's for anything mroe than a game or two.  Everything I have read suggests he has next to no chance to stick at Catcher. 

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 06:07:06 PM »

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I think its a great trade for the Yanks.  I understand his inefficiencies, but he's going to be able to hit 7th or so in the Yanks line up.  If he strikes out 140 times there then so be it, because he is going to hit 40 HR while playing in that little league field.  It's that simple.  Though he can't hit lefties at all, this is a big trade for the Yanks.  Sox need to start making up the difference between the two teams.
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Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 06:21:04 PM »

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UPDATE: Looks like the trade might be falling through. Per ESPN Insider:

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A blockbuster three-team deal that would send Detroit Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson to the New York Yankees and pitcher Edwin Jackson to the Arizona Diamondbacks is being discussed, reports FoxSports.com.

A source, however, told the site that the talks are at an impasse. The proposed deal is believed to be pushed by the D-backs, who would get Jackson from the Tigers and Ian Kennedy from the Yankees.

The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from Arizona, and center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from New York.

UPDATE: ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported this morning via the Hot Stove that the talks advanced to where only one team liked the deal and "it's unclear whether embers can be re-lit."

This was from 5:53PM.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/features/rumors

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 07:26:20 PM »

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Sox tried to get into the Granderson sweepstakes.  They were told it would take Ellsbury AND Buchholz. 

Now thats funny

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2009, 02:33:33 PM »

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Sox tried to get into the Granderson sweepstakes.  They were told it would take Ellsbury AND Buchholz. 

Now thats funny

I heard it was just one of them.  I still wouldn't have done it though.  This team needs a right handed power-hitter in the outfield, and that is not Granderson.

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2009, 02:51:45 PM »

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Sox tried to get into the Granderson sweepstakes.  They were told it would take Ellsbury AND Buchholz. 

Now thats funny

I heard it was just one of them.  I still wouldn't have done it though.  This team needs a right handed power-hitter in the outfield, and that is not Granderson.

A Tigers source, in the aftermath of the announcement of the three-team deal in which Detroit sent Curtis Granderson to the Yankees, confirmed that Boston would have had to part with pitcher Clay Buchholz and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury to acquire Granderson. The source also all but ruled out the Tigers trading first baseman Miguel Cabrera to Boston, saying he could not see that happening.

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/redsox/blog?name=redsox

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2009, 06:44:56 PM »

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That's total BS from the Tiger source.  They are looking to unload Cabrera, who is rumored to party too much.

Re: Yankees Aquire Curtis Granderson
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2009, 06:52:59 AM »

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but defensively he's really not that much of an upgrade over Melky Cabrera.

Dude has got good speed in the outfield, but he sometimes struggles judging ball off the bat.  It may have been the roof on the dome, but the dude had some rough fielding games vs. Minnesota this year.