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Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 02:10:56 PM »

Offline mgent

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I wish Tony the best.

But in all honesty, I doubt he's gonna get enough minutes to do anything helpful.
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Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 02:17:47 PM »

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TA playing time = less Marquis Daniels playing time = worse second unit.

TA playing time = less Eddie House playing time = worse second unit.

Forget the showcasing and leave this bum on the bench where he belongs. Maybe someone will forget how bad he was out there and take him in a package deal at the trade deadline.

I hate posts like these.

"Ok, let's bench him  for the season but maybe try to package him at the trade deadline."

If TA won't be played, what makes you think he can be put in a trade package that would bring back ANYONE worthwhile? As far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to bench TA, you're willing to do a trade that doesn't involve him.

You don't actually have to respond to them if you hate posts like these...

TA on the floor makes everyone realize why they DON'T want to trade for TA. He doesn't add to his value by being out there proving he has the basketball IQ of a 5 year old. There is a reason abslolutely NO ONE offered the guy a contract in the offseason in Free Agency. Only WE were desperate enough to do so. I think that had we known we'd have both Eddie and Marquis we wouldn't have done it either.

We want people to forget about TA and only take him to make the numbers work. If they have footage of him out there this year being his usual inconsistent dumb self it will only make them think harder about not doing the deal. Only certain C's fans can look at the one good game out of 10 and ignore the rest.



So, you assume that if TA plays again, he will continue to suck.

Then, what stops another GM from saying "he won't be enough for who you want in exchange", just off what TA did last year? Because they'd only have to deal with TA for three months before he walks, assuming a trade involving him happens around the trade deadline? If so, is TA enough for who we want in exchange? A GM may say "Well, you can have THIS player here, but for THAT player over there, we'll need a player that WE BOTH KNOW can actually play."

Also, TA's injury prone. So a GM may want to know that TA can actually play for 5 games without hurting himself again. Again, this is for who we may want in a trade.

If you're willing to bench TA, don't assume a meaningful trade involving with will happen. That's all I'm saying.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 02:48:42 PM »

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The odds of a GM acquiring Tony Allen for talent are pretty low.

If a GM does try to acquire Tony Allen it will almost definitely be for his expiring contract. He doesn't need to play for this to happen.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 02:50:51 PM »

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The odds of a GM acquiring Tony Allen for talent are pretty low.

If a GM does try to acquire Tony Allen it will almost definitely be for his expiring contract. He doesn't need to play for this to happen.
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Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 02:50:58 PM »

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TA playing time = less Marquis Daniels playing time = worse second unit.

TA playing time = less Eddie House playing time = worse second unit.

Forget the showcasing and leave this bum on the bench where he belongs. Maybe someone will forget how bad he was out there and take him in a package deal at the trade deadline.

I hate posts like these.

"Ok, let's bench him  for the season but maybe try to package him at the trade deadline."

If TA won't be played, what makes you think he can be put in a trade package that would bring back ANYONE worthwhile? As far as I'm concerned, if you're willing to bench TA, you're willing to do a trade that doesn't involve him.

You don't actually have to respond to them if you hate posts like these...

TA on the floor makes everyone realize why they DON'T want to trade for TA. He doesn't add to his value by being out there proving he has the basketball IQ of a 5 year old. There is a reason abslolutely NO ONE offered the guy a contract in the offseason in Free Agency. Only WE were desperate enough to do so. I think that had we known we'd have both Eddie and Marquis we wouldn't have done it either.

We want people to forget about TA and only take him to make the numbers work. If they have footage of him out there this year being his usual inconsistent dumb self it will only make them think harder about not doing the deal. Only certain C's fans can look at the one good game out of 10 and ignore the rest.



So, you assume that if TA plays again, he will continue to suck.

Then, what stops another GM from saying "he won't be enough for who you want in exchange", just off what TA did last year? Because they'd only have to deal with TA for three months before he walks, assuming a trade involving him happens around the trade deadline? If so, is TA enough for who we want in exchange? A GM may say "Well, you can have THIS player here, but for THAT player over there, we'll need a player that WE BOTH KNOW can actually play."

Also, TA's injury prone. So a GM may want to know that TA can actually play for 5 games without hurting himself again. Again, this is for who we may want in a trade.

If you're willing to bench TA, don't assume a meaningful trade involving with will happen. That's all I'm saying.

Face it. TA has played this way his entire career and will continue to play this way his entire career. He is only going to get worse as his athleticism gets worse and worse. The only way anyone takes TA in a trade is if their goal is to immediately cut him. This only works if we send cash considerations to them to pay for some/all of his salary, or if the deal is good enough for them that they don't mind eating that money. Everyone in the league knows what this guys is. Playing him more is only going to make our team worse, not change opinions. He is what he is. Maddening! Physical tools to be very good. Mental tools of a caveman.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 03:32:48 PM »

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I gotta agree with some of you guys. This is the first time I remember reading about a guy coming back from injury and thinking "oh no!" I don't think he adds anything that Quise doesn't and it is not like Quise plays too much and needs a rest. The biggest reason for my fear is that for some reason Doc always seems to play him. Maybe this will finally be the time he looks good, doesn't get hurt, and we move him. Other then that this just seems like bad news. Whats the age limit on the D league?

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 03:42:46 PM »

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I wish Tony the best.

But in all honesty, I doubt he's gonna get enough minutes to do anything helpful.

Agreed.  I wish him the best, hope he plays, and hope he makes a lot of doubters (including me) do a double take.  But the reality is he won't get many minutes...
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Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 05:03:57 PM »

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Is he really ready to come back? I have so little faith in the trainers these days.
Well if he's back at least we have one more body to throw out there in case there's a blowout. He had a couple of good games against Philly last year IIRC.
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Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 05:07:29 PM »

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TA will get JR's minutes I guess. I don't think Daniels minutes will decrease

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 05:38:44 PM »

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Can't believe this guy has been a Celtic for this long already.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 06:36:34 PM »

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So Tony might play tonight.... that's too bad.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 06:49:41 PM »

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no thanks....we are struggling enough

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2009, 07:00:22 PM »

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I wish Tony the best.

But in all honesty, I doubt he's gonna get enough minutes to do anything helpful.

Agreed.  I wish him the best, hope he plays, and hope he makes a lot of doubters (including me) do a double take.  But the reality is he won't get many minutes...

I know there are still TA supporters out there and I kind of understand. With players in the NBA not hustling so much nowadays, TA is a breath of fresh air with his energy. Looking at his numbers before injury last year, I am actually somewhat impressed. The problem with him and always will be his consistency. I know people talk about Rondo being inconsistent, but geez, the only think you can guarantee with TA is that he will be tenacious.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2009, 07:07:44 PM »

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what if Ta actually helps...i mean i know he makes a lot of stupid mistakes but he's a slasher and he can help with the depth at the 2 guard position.

Re: Tony Allen Might Play Tonight?
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2009, 07:14:57 PM »

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He can help us in one game but he'll then be a tremendous liability in the following 5. Tony Allen's game is just not conductive to winning. He's too inconsistent and too prone to have bad games. Reliability is very, very under-rated. 

With Rondo and Daniels already in the rotation, I doubt there's a place for another non-shooter like Allen.