Trade Ideas that're semi-plausible

[Fan from VT]

Three Possible Scenarios:

Miller might miss 4-5 weeks. So around January 1st, still before the deadline:
 
Utah
Gives Kirilenko, Boozer
Gets Ray, Scal, Giddens

Washington:
Gives Miller, McGee
Gets Boozer

Boston:
Gives Ray, Scal, Giddens
Gets Miller, Mcgee, Kirilenko


Utah: We know they've always had a void at true shooting guard with range. We know they want out of Kirilenko's salary and to save money. This deal accomplishes all of the above: all expiring deals, 5.6 million in savings right away.

Washington: Gets the established low-post threat they've lacked.

Boston: Once healthy, Miller does pretty much anything Ray does for this team right now. Add in Mcgee for some energy and Kirilenko can play the 3/4 off the bench, depending on matchups.



Don't like it?
Scenario Two:

Same Idea, but this time insert Chicago instead of Washington, with Chicago getting Boozer and guaranteeing themselves a splash in free agency (retaining Boozer, the low post player they need, or using the cap space for one of the stars), and Boston receiving Hinrich and a Chicago 1st rounder. Lindsay Hunter must be included for salary matchup, so this would have to wait until 12/15:

Utah
Gives Kirilenko, Boozer
Gets Ray, Scal, Giddens

Chicago
Gives Hinrich, Lindsay Hunter (financial), #1
Gets Boozer

Boston:
Gives Ray, Scal, Giddens
Gets Hinrich, Kirilenko, Hunter, Chicago #1


Final scenario:
Again, same idea. This time, though, Golden State gets Boozer, and they give up Devon George, Corey Maggette, and either a first rounder or Anthony Morrow. GS is pretty dysfunctional, and who knows how badly they regret the Maggette contract. Maggette himself is a great offensive player who will miss 15-20 games usually (but you could get by with Pierce at the 2/Kirilenko at the 3 for that stretch). He loves getting into the paint, can hit open threes, and is among the best in the game at drawing contact. His defense is not good, but he's replacing Ray. Because they're getting the talent and financial advantage in a Boozer/Maggette swap, Golden State would also include their choice of Morrow or a #1 to Boston. Maggette's contract only goes one year beyond KG's, which is a medium problem, but Morrow can't get offered more than the MLE for next year due to undrafted rookie contract rules.

Utah
Gives Kirilenko, Boozer
Gets Ray, Scal, Giddens

Golden State
Gives Maggette, George, Morrow/#1
Gets Boozer

Boston:
Gives Ray, Scal, Giddens
Gets Maggette, Kirilenko, Morrow/GS #1

[BASS_THUMPER]

pass that spliff

[ssspence]

dude -- you heisted my utah trade idea. take a look back a week in the forums.

[scoop]

Just by reading the "Boston gives, Boston gets" parts, I don't like any of those deals. The one we get Morrow is intriguing, but eating up Maggette's contract is unacceptable (I don't see GSW doing that deal either). I don't like Kirilenko playing the wing (he should be going to Oakland, where Nelson could play him at the 4), I don't see McGee becoming a really good player, Miller isn't starting material at this point, it's a nightmare to think about having Maggette's contract in your books and I don't see any of those trades making us a better team this season.

[Fan from VT]

dude -- you heisted my utah trade idea. take a look back a week in the forums.

No i didn't i heisted my own idea from that forum. You had us giving up a 2 guard for a 3/4 and a 4/5 on a team that already has KG, Perk, Davis, Wallace, and Williams; I wanted to expand it to a 3rd team so that we gave up a 2 guard for at least a 2 and a 3/4 so we weren't left with just House and Daniels at the two spot (Pierce can handle the 2 for stretches, but he's a much better 3 at this point.)

[Fan from VT]

Just by reading the "Boston gives, Boston gets" parts, I don't like any of those deals. The one we get Morrow is intriguing, but eating up Maggette's contract is unacceptable (I don't see GSW doing that deal either). I don't like Kirilenko playing the wing (he should be going to Oakland, where Nelson could play him at the 4), I don't see McGee becoming a really good player, Miller isn't starting material at this point, it's a nightmare to think about having Maggette's contract in your books and I don't see any of those trades making us a better team this season.

Fair enough. I think the GS one definitely makes us better as soon as the trade is done. The question is, after KG expires is it worth it to be better now and get Morrow or a #1 out of the deal and be tied to at least Rondo and Maggette in that 2012 season for about 23 million or so.

[hpantazo]

I don't like any of those trades for us, we give up too much for what we get. We should be the ones getting Boozer at least

[scoop]

Just by reading the "Boston gives, Boston gets" parts, I don't like any of those deals. The one we get Morrow is intriguing, but eating up Maggette's contract is unacceptable (I don't see GSW doing that deal either). I don't like Kirilenko playing the wing (he should be going to Oakland, where Nelson could play him at the 4), I don't see McGee becoming a really good player, Miller isn't starting material at this point, it's a nightmare to think about having Maggette's contract in your books and I don't see any of those trades making us a better team this season.

Fair enough. I think the GS one definitely makes us better as soon as the trade is done. The question is, after KG expires is it worth it to be better now and get Morrow or a #1 out of the deal and be tied to at least Rondo and Maggette in that 2012 season for about 23 million or so.

Yes, I like Morrow a lot, so I think we'd improve with that deal if we were able to shuffle the roster a little more afterwards. I believe Maggette would turn out to be a net negative (subtraction by addition) factoring our current bench/backcourt and that Kirilenko would need to see most of his minutes as a 4 in smallball line-ups. Maybe trading Daniels+Davis for another quality player.  

I doubt Nelson does that unless he decides to go forward with a Curry-Ellis backcourt and a Boozer (re-signed)-Biedrins frontcourt (a terrible strategy, IMO).

[pearljammer10]

Utah gets shmucked in all three of these...Do you realize how good of a player both Boozer and AK are?

[Who]

Utah aren't the type of team/front office that sacrifices talent for cap flexibility.

[CelticG1]

 Kirilenko is overpaid even though he is a pretty good player. Although I think Boozer is good he has been injured a bunch and has always been worried more about himself, money, PT, than about the team at all. I really don't think Utah is going to get too much in return for either of these players because of those reason and since they are going to let those 2 guys walk at the end of the season anyway why not get something decent in return and still save a ton of money?  How is Utah going to sell those guys to another team? What would they honestly say? That he is a real good player? That he's a team player? That he's a tough steady player? I don't think any team would by that nonsense. If Utah wants to keep those guys as they have a terrible season and not get anything in return than good for them. Or they can get some decent value now,  not to mention they can have the guy they just paid the big bucks for in the offseason to slide in as a starter immediately

[Fan from VT]

Utah gets shmucked in all three of these...Do you realize how good of a player both Boozer and AK are?

yes, I realize how good they are. But I also know Utah wants to move Boozer to get under luxury tax and they don't want to be locked into Kirilenko's deal anymore. So far, we have people saying each of the three teams involved wouldn't do it, so that's a good sign.

[jambr380]

Utah gets shmucked in all three of these...Do you realize how good of a player both Boozer and AK are?

yes, I realize how good they are. But I also know Utah wants to move Boozer to get under luxury tax and they don't want to be locked into Kirilenko's deal anymore. So far, we have people saying each of the three teams involved wouldn't do it, so that's a good sign.

I agree that Boozer and Kirilenko seem more valuable than how they are presented here, but something needs to change in Utah. You look at their team on paper and they should be top 3 in western conference nearly every year, but for some reason, they can never put it together. Chris Paul carried the Hornets to first in the conference a couple of years ago, but Deron Williams (a player some here think is better than Paul) can't lead his solid group anywhere near the top.

I don't know if blowing up their team is the way to go, but I don't think they are going too far anytime soon.

[slamtheking]

In each of the 3 scenarios, Utah and Boston are both sending out more quality than they're getting back.  The middle team in each case makes out better every time.

GS deal comes close to offering the C's decent value but the issues are Maggette's bad contract (mostly due to the length rather than the $) and the fact Morrow hasn't been around long enough to know just how good he is-->is he really a championship piece of the puzzle?  He looks like a good young player---certainly someone the C's can use to build with in the post big 3 era but is he ready from primetime now?  I have major doubts about that.  Getting a #1 instead of Morrow doesn't help the team now.  It gives Danny a great chance to add a future building block but we need to get someone who we know helps now.

I'll pass on all 3.  If the C's are still floundering at the end of December, I'd revisit the GS idea with some tweaking.

[Kwhit10]

I don't think Miller is as good as he was 2 years ago, and would definitely not want to lose Ray for him.