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Hypothetically, who should run SSOL in NY for D'Antoni?
« on: November 23, 2009, 11:50:18 AM »

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So the Knicks are 3-9 right now. They're pretty bad, but even with as bad as they are now, they still brought us right to the brink of a loss yesterday.

Basically they're a team that wants to run, they're a team that needs to run, but they're a team that can't quite make it work out to wins.

Steve Nash is signed through 2012, and nearly all of the league's premier point guards are locked up long term.

Henry Abbot over at truehoop has an interesting article today of "who was the more valuable sun?", aka which was more important, D'Antoni's offense or Steve Nash's talent?

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Last season was inconclusive for both, but at this juncture ... you have to consider that Nash has the upper hand in that debate. Yes, D'Antoni is a hamstrung by a roster built for free agency in 2010. But if you're keeping score at home, at this point D'Antoni's Knicks are 3-10 and among the NBA's worst, while Nash's Suns have started out a mighty 11-3.

An NBA front office official once made an interesting point to me about this. He says that D'Antoni's free-wheeling, up-and-down system is every bit as brilliant and amazing as anyone ever thought it was. But that style has only ever worked in the NBA when run by a transcendant point guard.

The Suns, right now, have the system (as run by D'Antoni's former assistant Alvin Gentry) and the player, in Nash. And it works.

Despite a lot of enthusiastic talk about Chris Duhon at this time a year ago, D'Antoni's team has the pace, but not that player, and it has been a struggle.

So which player even COULD run the system? Obviously Nash, but you'd have to believe CP3 and a substantially younger Jason Kidd could easily handle it, but those guys are virtually (not even virtually, they ARE) unattainable right now. So if you can't get them, who do you go after if you're NY?

"You've gotta respect a 15-percent 3-point shooter. A guy
like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: Hypothetically, who should run SSOL in NY for D'Antoni?
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It's like you said their isn't really anyone out there to run the offense. I think it obviously has to be a very good pass first point guard. Off the top of my head their are something like 5 I can name off the top of my head Williams, Paul, Nash, Rondo, and Kidd. I don't think other  points are good enough passers, or creative enough to run that offense and win. Not to mention the Knicks are starting a bunch of bench players, like Tommy said.

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 12:26:44 PM »

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What if they made a move for Rubio when he becomes available?

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What if they made a move for Rubio when he becomes available?

It won't matter because Rubio is going to be a bust.  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 12:39:58 PM »

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What about any of these young guns, guys like Johnny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, or even a guy like Ramon Sessions?

Do you really need a 'transcendent' point, or can you make it work with a fast pg that can get into the lane and is a pass first player?

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I'm guessing they're trying to get willie warren or john wall to run it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 12:44:52 PM »

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I'm guessing they're trying to get willie warren or john wall to run it.

If it doesn't happen this year, they're done for.

I'm not positive but I believe they owe someone (salt lake maybe?) an unprotected 1st next year. it was supposed to be this year but they put it off by giving up a 2nd rounder

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What about any of these young guns, guys like Johnny Flynn, Brandon Jennings, or even a guy like Ramon Sessions?

Do you really need a 'transcendent' point, or can you make it work with a fast pg that can get into the lane and is a pass first player?

SSOL requires a PG that not only pushed the ball, but gets it to the right spot.  Not too many players I've seen who were faster than Marcus Banks, and he was the worst possible PG for that system in Phoenix.  It's one thing to push the tempo, but it's Nash's decision-making that really makes everything click.

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Outside the guys that could obviously run it - Rondo is not one of them - you might look at guys like Steve Blake, DJ Augustin, Stephen Curry or Jose Calderon.

Shooting is the primary skill, not passing. Look what Duhon did in that system when he was still trying last season.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 01:28:50 PM »

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The offense will work fine without a top tier PG.

The Knicks don't need a Steve Nash type PG to make this work.

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Curry.