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Minor Configurations (Based on Observation)
« on: November 22, 2009, 05:13:07 PM »

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Rondo:  is at best coming off the bench with Eddie House. Those 2 together creates havoc for any opponent (it showed in today's game). Paul pierce showed us (in the 1st quarter when rondo sat out and Eddie came in) an example of how things will be if we could bring in a pg who's also scoring/shooting threat. Rondo had a great game! Some will beg the differ but he did. Rondo has limitations and the #'s he put up today is within his limits (what more are you asking him to do? Its unfair to ask someone to do something they aren't able too).

Ray Allen: will be fine. He's just missing shots, i'm not worried about his play at all offensively. His struggles is on defensive end. He can't defend 1 on 1 unless its a shorter sg he's guarding.

Paul Pierce: The 2 knocks on Paul is his inconsistency with effort and aggression both offensively and defensively. Today he showed how great he could be when playing @ that high consistent level.

KG: Will also be fine. I'm not worried at all about his health nor his play. Major surgery is major surgery. It's not that easy coming back from that playing in any professional sport.

Kendrick Perkins: No Complaints whatsoever, except for Quit arguing the call and get back on Defense (let Doc do the arguing). He's been our most consistent player thus far.

Rasheed Wallace: If he could at least hit 3 of the 8 three pointers he takes each game he'll do fine here. Right now he's shooting blanks. Not able to hit a thing (Air-Ball tonight??? lol). His defensive and rebounding has been outstanding, but offensively he's in a very bad slump. 3-8 will make us great, but if he hits none most likely we're done.

Eddie House: No complaints except for, on a screen & pop defensively stay with the guy that pops for the shot and not the guy that decides to roll. Watch the tape Al Harrington and Nate Robinson got you and Rondo on that plenty of times tonight.

Marquis Daniels: No complaints

Shelden Williams: No complaints except for, Quit moving on screens!!!

Brian Scalabrine: No complaints

Overall this team will be fine if they make minor adjustments and add 1 more creator who's also a scoring threat. Right now we're good enough for 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs, but definitely not championship material yet. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Minor Configurations (Based on Observation)
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2009, 05:20:34 PM »

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Honestly, I stopped reading after the first sentence.  In no reality did we just drop $55M for a backup point guard.  Rondo is a borderline All-Star starter who many scouts have pegged as the best PG in the East.  There is no way he comes off the bench.  The only way he should be playing with Eddie more is if his minutes are increased to give him time with the second unit.

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2009, 05:22:17 PM »

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Rondo:  is at best coming off the bench with Eddie House. Those 2 together creates havoc for any opponent (it showed in today's game). Paul pierce showed us (in the 1st quarter when rondo sat out and Eddie came in) an example of how things will be if we could bring in a pg who's also scoring/shooting threat. Rondo had a great game! Some will beg the differ but he did. Rondo has limitations and the #'s he put up today is within his limits (what more are you asking him to do? Its unfair to ask someone to do something they aren't able too).

Ray Allen: will be fine. He's just missing shots, i'm not worried about his play at all offensively. His struggles is on defensive end. He can't defend 1 on 1 unless its a shorter sg he's guarding.

Paul Pierce: The 2 knocks on Paul is his inconsistency with effort and aggression both offensively and defensively.

KG: Will also be fine. I'm not worried at all about his health nor his play. Major surgery is major surgery. It's not that easy coming back from that playing in any professional sport.

Kendrick Perkins: No Complaints whatsoever, except for Quit arguing the call and get back on Defense (let Doc do the arguing). He's been our most consistent player thus far.

Rasheed Wallace: If he could at least hit 3 of the 8 three pointers he takes each game he'll do fine here. Right now he's shooting blanks. Not able to hit a thing (Air-Ball tonight??? lol). His defensive and rebounding has been outstanding, but offensively he's in a very bad slump. 3-8 will make us great, but if he hits none most likely we're done.

Eddie House: No complaints except for, on a screen & pop defensively stay with the guy that pops for the shot and not the guy that decides to roll. Watch the tape Al Harrington and Nate Robinson got you and Rondo on that plenty of times tonight.

Marquis Daniels: No No complaints

Shelden Williams: No complaints except for, Quit moving on screens!!!

Overall this team will be fine if they make minor adjustments and add 1 more creator who's also a scoring threat. Right now we're good enough for 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs, but definitely not championship material yet. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Agree on all points, except about Rondo. You can't let him come off of the bench, especially when there's no legit PG currently on the bench who deserves and can play starter's minutes. Granted, Rondo has his shortcomings, but he's only 23 and has a tremendous amount of upside. They signed him thinking he could develop to be the cornerstone of the franchise post the Big Three era, it would be counterproductive to his development and their longterm plans for him.

Eddie plays better when he's not playing PG - that goes with him playing with Rondo and when Quis is playing point foward. Basically, if they can keep the ball out of his hands, he'll be able to run off screens, or spot up in the corner. That's where he's most effective.
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Re: Minor Configurations (Based on Observation)
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2009, 05:27:41 PM »

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Honestly, I stopped reading after the first sentence.  In no reality did we just drop $55M for a backup point guard.  Rondo is a borderline All-Star starter who many scouts have pegged as the best PG in the East.  There is no way he comes off the bench.  The only way he should be playing with Eddie more is if his minutes are increased to give him time with the second unit.

That 55million was for future collateral. Listen if the C's didn't sign him, he walks and signs to another team and we get nothing in return. Why not sign him and own his rights and trade him later when the time is right? Rondo needs to have someone on this team that has similarly like himself but who is offensive minded to learn a thing or 2 from. He'll be great later but he's good now on a great team.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2009, 05:28:14 PM »

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There is no doubt that we've been playing crappy lately but calling us a 5-6 seed is just terribly inaccurate.

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2009, 05:30:05 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 05:32:53 PM »

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Rondo:  is at best coming off the bench with Eddie House. Those 2 together creates havoc for any opponent (it showed in today's game). Paul pierce showed us (in the 1st quarter when rondo sat out and Eddie came in) an example of how things will be if we could bring in a pg who's also scoring/shooting threat. Rondo had a great game! Some will beg the differ but he did. Rondo has limitations and the #'s he put up today is within his limits (what more are you asking him to do? Its unfair to ask someone to do something they aren't able too).

Ray Allen: will be fine. He's just missing shots, i'm not worried about his play at all offensively. His struggles is on defensive end. He can't defend 1 on 1 unless its a shorter sg he's guarding.

Paul Pierce: The 2 knocks on Paul is his inconsistency with effort and aggression both offensively and defensively.

KG: Will also be fine. I'm not worried at all about his health nor his play. Major surgery is major surgery. It's not that easy coming back from that playing in any professional sport.

Kendrick Perkins: No Complaints whatsoever, except for Quit arguing the call and get back on Defense (let Doc do the arguing). He's been our most consistent player thus far.

Rasheed Wallace: If he could at least hit 3 of the 8 three pointers he takes each game he'll do fine here. Right now he's shooting blanks. Not able to hit a thing (Air-Ball tonight??? lol). His defensive and rebounding has been outstanding, but offensively he's in a very bad slump. 3-8 will make us great, but if he hits none most likely we're done.

Eddie House: No complaints except for, on a screen & pop defensively stay with the guy that pops for the shot and not the guy that decides to roll. Watch the tape Al Harrington and Nate Robinson got you and Rondo on that plenty of times tonight.

Marquis Daniels: No No complaints

Shelden Williams: No complaints except for, Quit moving on screens!!!

Overall this team will be fine if they make minor adjustments and add 1 more creator who's also a scoring threat. Right now we're good enough for 5th or 6th seed in the playoffs, but definitely not championship material yet. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)


Agree on all points, except about Rondo. You can't let him come off of the bench, especially when there's no legit PG currently on the bench who deserves and can play starter's minutes. Granted, Rondo has his shortcomings, but he's only 23 and has a tremendous amount of upside. They signed him thinking he could develop to be the cornerstone of the franchise post the Big Three era, it would be counterproductive to his development and their longterm plans for him.

Eddie plays better when he's not playing PG - that goes with him playing with Rondo and when Quis is playing point foward. Basically, if they can keep the ball out of his hands, he'll be able to run off screens, or spot up in the corner. That's where he's most effective.

Quis isn't so great @ creating. If that was so then paul pierce nor ray wouldn't have to play long minutes as ball handlers when Rondo is out the game. They need another handler/distributor who can also shoot/or create his own shot

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2009, 05:34:56 PM »

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Also, I didn't see the part about being a 5th or 6th seed. That's definitely innaccurate.

As it stands, we could still finish in the top 3, and its too soon to tell whether or not Atlanta is legit.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2009, 05:37:43 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

#1 Orlando
#2 Cleveland
#3 Atlanta
#4 Toronto
#5 Boston
#6 Chicago
#7 Miami
#8 Washington

Right now if we could simulate to the playoffs. i'll say that would be the seed. But the Celtics will get better with time or injuries and make top 3 with minor adjustments.

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2009, 05:44:39 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

#1 Orlando
#2 Cleveland
#3 Atlanta
#4 Toronto
#5 Boston
#6 Chicago
#7 Miami
#8 Washington

Right now if we could simulate to the playoffs. i'll say that would be the seed. But the Celtics will get better with time or injuries and make top 3 with minor adjustments.

nope.
Cleveland still hasn't been able to really prove they can win with Shaq in the line-up, their little surge has been with him mostly out due to injury (big shock). Like I said before, still not sure Atlanta are legit.

Toronto is a 7th/8th seed, maybe even a 6th seed. But 4th? I'd be surprised.

I think it'll look more like this:

#1 Orlando
#2 Boston
#3 Cleveland
#4 Atlanta
#5 Miami
#6 Chicago
#7 Toronto
#8 Washington
 
the top 4 being interchangeable.
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Re: Minor Configurations (Based on Observation)
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2009, 05:49:12 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

#1 Orlando
#2 Cleveland
#3 Atlanta
#4 Toronto
#5 Boston
#6 Chicago
#7 Miami
#8 Washington

Right now if we could simulate to the playoffs. i'll say that would be the seed. But the Celtics will get better with time or injuries and make top 3 with minor adjustments.

nope.
Cleveland still hasn't been able to really prove they can win with Shaq in the line-up, their little surge has been with him mostly out due to injury (big shock). Like I said before, still not sure Atlanta are legit.

Toronto is a 7th/8th seed, maybe even a 6th seed. But 4th? I'd be surprised.

I think it'll look more like this:

#1 Orlando
#2 Boston
#3 Cleveland
#4 Atlanta
#5 Miami
#6 Chicago
#7 Toronto
#8 Washington
 
the top 4 being interchangeable.

agreed, because of injuries and hopefully minor changes on the celtics. Let's face it... The Celtics won today's game because they played the Knicks. The knick are known for not closing out games. It happened when they played Utah, Atlanta. The c's can't be top 4 in east taking seedless teams in to overtime and almost losing. Can't wait untill we play the Memphis Grizzlies...lol A game they should win, but probably won't with this style of play.

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2009, 05:49:52 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

#1 Orlando
#2 Cleveland
#3 Atlanta
#4 Toronto
#5 Boston
#6 Chicago
#7 Miami
#8 Washington

Right now if we could simulate to the playoffs. i'll say that would be the seed. But the Celtics will get better with time or injuries and make top 3 with minor adjustments.
You do realize that by winning the Atlantic the C's get no lower than the #3 seed because the division leaders get the top three seeds?

Right now the C's would be a #2 seed since they have the tiebraker on Cleveland.

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2009, 05:56:05 PM »

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After reading your sign and start Iverson post and then the first sentence of this post I think it's pretty clear you have severe problems with Rondo. Rondo is a major part of the solution for this team turning things around. He is a part of the problem, not the problem.

Besides Rondo's defense and shooting this team needs to work on Ray's three point shooting, ball handling and passing, KG's leg health and consistency on defense, Perk's foul prone play and stupid technicals, Pierce's need to try to do a majority of the offense causing ball movement to stop and his horrible perimeter defense, Sheed's penchant for playing outside ALL the time and his awful shooting slump, Eddie's shooting, team effort as a whole, and Doc's preparation of these players.

#1 Orlando
#2 Cleveland
#3 Atlanta
#4 Toronto
#5 Boston
#6 Chicago
#7 Miami
#8 Washington

Right now if we could simulate to the playoffs. i'll say that would be the seed. But the Celtics will get better with time or injuries and make top 3 with minor adjustments.

Based on what? 

Boston right now, playing not up to their ability, are the third team in the East.


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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2009, 06:07:04 PM »

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Right now the playoff seedings based on actual results and not some arbitrary power rankings in the mind of the OP are:

1. Atlanta
2. Boston
3. Cleveland
4. Orlando
5. Milwaukee
6. Miami
7. Chicago
8. Indiana

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2009, 06:18:06 PM »

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Right now the playoff seedings based on actual results and not some arbitrary power rankings in the mind of the OP are:

1. Atlanta
2. Boston
3. Cleveland
4. Orlando
5. Milwaukee
6. Miami
7. Chicago
8. Indiana

If the playoffs were to start today, we won't be able to beat any team but the bulls. The bulls are too easy to defend with no low post presence. Thats about it. Everyone else has shooters, scorers, young motivated legs, and low post capability with athleticism.