Rondo tonight

[Roy Hobbs]

The stats show he is among the best players in the league, not just PGs.

The stats can show whatever they want, but Rondo is *not* a top 25 player (or however you determine "best players in the league").  He's way, way too inconsistent on both ends of the court to be considered anywhere near elite right now.  I don't care how many steals he gets (due to letting his man blow by him) or how many assists he has.  Right now, his play is up and down, and relying exclusively on stats to evaluate his play doesn't make sense to me.

[Atzar]

The stats show he is among the best players in the league, not just PGs.

The stats can show whatever they want, but Rondo is *not* a top 25 player (or however you determine "best players in the league").  He's way, way too inconsistent on both ends of the court to be considered anywhere near elite right now.  I don't care how many steals he gets (due to letting his man blow by him) or how many assists he has.  Right now, his play is up and down, and relying exclusively on stats to evaluate his play doesn't make sense to me.

I think the fact that he's filling the stat sheet on bad games just tells us how good he can really be.  Bad Rondo is getting close to triple doubles.  Good Rondo, when he decides to come out again, may well be the best PG in the league.

[Roy Hobbs]

The stats show he is among the best players in the league, not just PGs.

The stats can show whatever they want, but Rondo is *not* a top 25 player (or however you determine "best players in the league").  He's way, way too inconsistent on both ends of the court to be considered anywhere near elite right now.  I don't care how many steals he gets (due to letting his man blow by him) or how many assists he has.  Right now, his play is up and down, and relying exclusively on stats to evaluate his play doesn't make sense to me.

I think the fact that he's filling the stat sheet on bad games just tells us how good he can really be.  Bad Rondo is getting close to triple doubles.  Good Rondo, when he decides to come out again, may well be the best PG in the league.

I don't think "good Rondo" is anywhere close to "good Deron" or "good Chris Paul".   Triple doubles don't really impress me; I'd much rather see good fundamentals and smart decisions.

[Atzar]

Good Deron I'll give you, maybe.  Good CP is a ball dominator.  I've never liked him as much as other people have, it seems - and if you think Rondo's defense is bad, watch Chris Paul.

He was anointed a superstar, but superstars don't quit on their coaches and get beat by 58 in their own house.

[nickagneta]

The stats show he is among the best players in the league, not just PGs.

The stats can show whatever they want, but Rondo is *not* a top 25 player (or however you determine "best players in the league").  He's way, way too inconsistent on both ends of the court to be considered anywhere near elite right now.  I don't care how many steals he gets (due to letting his man blow by him) or how many assists he has.  Right now, his play is up and down, and relying exclusively on stats to evaluate his play doesn't make sense to me.

I agree with you. But the stats do show that.

I just wanted to show that the poster's claims of Rondo's play are greatly exaggerated. He is an elite PG who happens to be playing inconsistently. But he is playing inconsistently and putting up the numbers he is. What happens when he does play consistently? What will his numbers look like then?

Why is Pierce considered an elite player in this league anymore? Do his stats show he is any more or less an elite player than Rondo? Has he been playing defense any more or less consistently than Rondo has? I don't think so. But people here will widely consider Pierce an elite player even though he clearly is no longer putting up elite numbers or playing consistently elite.

Rondo is an elite PG in this league and an elite player. He just isn't playing like one right now consistently and neither is Pierce, KG, Shhed or Allen. All also considered elite players.

We can want to throw a majority of this team's woes completely on this kid's shoulders but he is playing no more or less consistently than any of his team mates.

[Roy Hobbs]

Good Deron I'll give you, maybe.  Good CP is a ball dominator.  I've never liked him as much as other people have, it seems - and if you think Rondo's defense is bad, watch Chris Paul.

He was anointed a superstar, but superstars don't quit on their coaches and get beat by 58 in their own house.

When CP3 is at his best, he does everything Rondo does well, plus is an elite scorer.  Rondo is maybe a better rebounder, but that's the only advantage I'd give him.

[Kiorrik]

Good Deron I'll give you, maybe.  Good CP is a ball dominator.  I've never liked him as much as other people have, it seems - and if you think Rondo's defense is bad, watch Chris Paul.

He was anointed a superstar, but superstars don't quit on their coaches and get beat by 58 in their own house.

When CP3 is at his best, he does everything Rondo does well, plus is an elite scorer.  Rondo is maybe a better rebounder, but that's the only advantage I'd give him.

I might be wrong in this, but it seems to me that his rebounding is more up and down than any of his stats.

[vinnie]

It astounds me that people actually believe that Rajon Rondo is an elite point guard and an elite player in this league. He may become that if he improves his shooting, foul shooting and defense, but right now he is not in that category. He does some freskishly athletic things, which is why I believe people get carrried away when rating him. But, everyone else's opinion is as valid as mine.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is a good defensive player and could be elite if he didn't try gamble for steals frequently

He is a better one on one defender than team defender right now.

With maturity and with aging of his body i'm sure he will play better team defense

If anybody thinks he is a bad defender period they need to get their eyes checked

[Jon]

Part of the problem with this team and turnovers is that they share the ball too much some times.  They end up getting turnovers where other teams would get missed shots.  That's partly Rondo's problem too.  Sometimes he makes the brilliant play that makes him look like a genius, other times he turns it over and looks stupid.  A lesser PG would have fewer turnovers, but fewer spectacular plays. 

I won't begrudge Rondo or anyone on the team too much for making the extra pass; however, I do hope that they try to keep it simpler at times.  While sharing is great, if people are open, they should just shoot it and not risk turning it over. 

[vinnie]

Rondo is a good defensive player and could be elite if he didn't try gamble for steals frequently

He is a better one on one defender than team defender right now.

With maturity and with aging of his body i'm sure he will play better team defense

If anybody thinks he is a bad defender period they need to get their eyes checked

So explain to me why journeyman guards are torching him in nearly every game if he is playing good defense. Guys like Earl Watson of the Pacers or Nate Robinson today.

[BballTim]

Part of the problem with this team and turnovers is that they share the ball too much some times.  They end up getting turnovers where other teams would get missed shots.  That's partly Rondo's problem too.  Sometimes he makes the brilliant play that makes him look like a genius, other times he turns it over and looks stupid.  A lesser PG would have fewer turnovers, but fewer spectacular plays. 

I won't begrudge Rondo or anyone on the team too much for making the extra pass; however, I do hope that they try to keep it simpler at times.  While sharing is great, if people are open, they should just shoot it and not risk turning it over. 

  Rondo doesn't turn the ball over a lot. He's 3rd among pgs in assists per 48 and 4th in assist/turnover ratio.

[CoachBo]

Good Deron I'll give you, maybe.  Good CP is a ball dominator.  I've never liked him as much as other people have, it seems - and if you think Rondo's defense is bad, watch Chris Paul.

He was anointed a superstar, but superstars don't quit on their coaches and get beat by 58 in their own house.

When CP3 is at his best, he does everything Rondo does well, plus is an elite scorer.  Rondo is maybe a better rebounder, but that's the only advantage I'd give him.

I'd trade Rondo for CP3 ANY old time Shinn wants to make that move.

We go through this all the time: People thought Gerald Green was a star because he could dunk. Triple-doubles are nothing more than what they are, and they're not a measure of decision-making with the basketball, defense, etc.

[Jon]

Part of the problem with this team and turnovers is that they share the ball too much some times.  They end up getting turnovers where other teams would get missed shots.  That's partly Rondo's problem too.  Sometimes he makes the brilliant play that makes him look like a genius, other times he turns it over and looks stupid.  A lesser PG would have fewer turnovers, but fewer spectacular plays. 

I won't begrudge Rondo or anyone on the team too much for making the extra pass; however, I do hope that they try to keep it simpler at times.  While sharing is great, if people are open, they should just shoot it and not risk turning it over. 

  Rondo doesn't turn the ball over a lot. He's 3rd among pgs in assists per 48 and 4th in assist/turnover ratio.

Never said he turned it over a lot.  Simply said that when he does, it's usually because he's trying to creatively get others involved.  The team tends to turn it over more than most since they try to do the same. 

[Atzar]

Good Deron I'll give you, maybe.  Good CP is a ball dominator.  I've never liked him as much as other people have, it seems - and if you think Rondo's defense is bad, watch Chris Paul.

He was anointed a superstar, but superstars don't quit on their coaches and get beat by 58 in their own house.

When CP3 is at his best, he does everything Rondo does well, plus is an elite scorer.  Rondo is maybe a better rebounder, but that's the only advantage I'd give him.

I'd trade Rondo for CP3 ANY old time Shinn wants to make that move.

We go through this all the time: People thought Gerald Green was a star because he could dunk. Triple-doubles are nothing more than what they are, and they're not a measure of decision-making with the basketball, defense, etc.

I don't follow your analogy there.  A dunk, as spectacular as it may be, is always worth 2 points.  A TD is at least 10/10/10 - even if you shoot a poor percentage or turn the ball over a lot, those stats are still far from a negative impact.  

Admittedly, I only caught OT of the Knicks game.  The consensus seems to be that Rondo, despite his stats, didn't really play all that well.  With that said, it seems like everybody disagrees on just why his play was unsatisfactory, setting aside the free throws and the play to close the fourth quarter.  

Can somebody give me a clear answer on how he played tonight?  I see 10 point on 5/13 shooting - not good but not awful, at least he's shooting.  I see 4/8 free throw attempts tonight - while I hate the percentage, I like that he's at least drawing the fouls.  13 shots and 8 free throws implies that he was fairly aggressive on offense.  I see 10 assists, 9 rebounds and 4 steals, which says to me that he was all over the court.  Only 2 turnovers - good.  How was his defense?  He obviously made one bad decision at the end of regulation - how was his decision making otherwise?