Teams you hope do not recover such becoming sellers.

[wdleehi]

What teams do you hope do not recover from bad starts so they can become sellers?

[Evantime34]

The only teams that seem to have something of value that are off to a poor start seem to be Utah and New Orleans. Maybe a hard nosed guy like Harpring, or a three point shooting compliment to our second unit in Peja, granted I have no idea if either's contract is feasable.

[nickagneta]

Not that they are doing bad but if Derrick Rose stays somewhat injured for the year and/or they dive down, Chicago is the team I want to become a seller looking for expiring contracts so they can have room to fit Dwayne Wade and maybe other parts. Now maybe they renounce all their free agents so the cap holds don't impede them from signing Wade but that means saying goodbye to Tyrus Thomas and Brad Miller.

Now maybe they have no problem with that but my guess is that they will want to hold onto Thomas and/or Miller and with Wade taking over the 2 guard slot could have a starting five of:

Rose
Wade
Deng
Thomas
Noah

with Miller, Salmons, Gray, Johnson, and Gibson coming of the bench. If they want to hold onto A reduced salary Miller and Thomas the only way might be to move Kirk Hinrich far expiring contracts with the contracts becoming more important than the quality of player they receive. If so why not:

Boston sends Scal, Tony, JR and Walker

Chicago sends Hinrich


Now, if Chicago is probably not going to re-up Thomas and they like Big Baby and his contract then why not, after Dec 15th.

Boston sends Scal, Tony, Baby, JR, Eddie and Walker

Chicago sends Thomas and Hinrich.

This trade is extremely unlikely without third party help however.

[wdleehi]

Not that they are doing bad but if Derrick Rose stays somewhat injured for the year and/or they dive down, Chicago is the team I want to become a seller looking for expiring contracts so they can have room to fit Dwayne Wade and maybe other parts. Now maybe they renounce all their free agents so the cap holds don't impede them from signing Wade but that means saying goodbye to Tyrus Thomas and Brad Miller.

Now maybe they have no problem with that but my guess is that they will want to hold onto Thomas and/or Miller and with Wade taking over the 2 guard slot could have a starting five of:

Rose
Wade
Deng
Thomas
Noah

with Miller, Salmons, Gray, Johnson, and Gibson coming of the bench. If they want to hold onto A reduced salary Miller and Thomas the only way might be to move Kirk Hinrich far expiring contracts with the contracts becoming more important than the quality of player they receive. If so why not:

Boston sends Scal, Tony, JR and Walker

Chicago sends Hinrich


Now, if Chicago is probably not going to re-up Thomas and they like Big Baby and his contract then why not, after Dec 15th.

Boston sends Scal, Tony, Baby, JR, Eddie and Walker

Chicago sends Thomas and Hinrich.

This trade is extremely unlikely without third party help however.

I like that idea.  Hinrich is big enough to play PG next to House. 

[Bankshot]

Well I wish Cleveland and Orlando start playing horribly and don't recover.

But yeah, I'd love to get Hinrich too.

[Eja117]

I guess maybe the Clippers have some guys I could want. Maybe the Rockets and Bucks and Sactown


Oh wait. Duh. I know. The Timberwolves.  Hello. How much do you like Gomes?

[Fan from VT]

Washington.

I'd love to get Foye somehow, maybe for Baby and some expirings.

Or if Miller asks for a trade to a contender, and we can swap expirings for his expiring; washington maybe picks up an extra 2nd rounder

Or (dream scenario), Butler is available for expirings and a first rounder.

[nickagneta]

I'll tell you what. I'ld just like to see the Celtics do some sort of 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 or 3 for 2 trade if for no other reason to clear a roster spot. I think after the trade deadline comes and goes and teams wanting to clear space and not caring just how bad their team finishes next year will be buying out expiring contracts of players they are going to renounce anyway to save some money.

Players like:

Chris Duhon
Al Harrington
Kenyon Dooling
Rafer Alston
Marcus Camby
Craig Smith
Luke Ridnour
Kyle Korver

might become available for a vet minimum contract to add on the rest of the year after being bought out in February. Any of them would be a step up from Walker or Giddens or Hudson as
12th man on the team and could be worked into soem roation minutes.

[LarBrd33]

I don't know which of the teams are going broke.  Bill SImmons wrote an article last year that basically alluded that some of the teams in the league were going to either have to relocate or (super unlikely) do the unthinkable and actually end operations completely.  Seriously doubt that happens, but I AM curious if some of these teams are in serious financial trouble. 

In a thread a couple weeks ago I talked about how if Ray Allen ended up getting hurt and we no longer had a tangible use for him on the basketball court... he'd suddenly just become a massive expiring contract.  Then the crazy example I brought up was that if the Kings were DESPERATE to free up money (are they planning to sell the team?), they could trade Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia and Andres Nocioni to Boston for Ray, Tony and Scal's expiring contracts... and end up saving themselves over 100 million over the next 4 years. 

That's a nutty idea... but I do wonder which of these teams are in the worst shape.   Is there a point where Memphis would decide, "We don't want to pay Rudy Gay"?

Usually if a team is about to sell they try to get rid of those bloated contracts so the team is more desirable to a potential buyer.  If the Kings were looking for a new owner... eliminating the 130 million in guaranteed contracts (Martin, Udrih, Garcia and NOcioni) would probably be a step they would take.  Especially if the team is losing and there is no realistic reason to be paying those players that much money.  That's the logic Memphis had when they dumped Pau Gasol.  "well we sucked when we were paying him ... so why not suck without paying him"

[wdleehi]

Washington.

I'd love to get Foye somehow, maybe for Baby and some expirings.

Or if Miller asks for a trade to a contender, and we can swap expirings for his expiring; washington maybe picks up an extra 2nd rounder

Or (dream scenario), Butler is available for expirings and a first rounder.

I thought about DC as well, but the players the Celtics would want and could afford in trades are in their last year. 

On the flip side, Jamison could be a big boost to Cleveland (only having to sign and trade Wally to make it happen)

No, I want DC to bounce back.

[Fan from VT]

Washington.

I'd love to get Foye somehow, maybe for Baby and some expirings.

Or if Miller asks for a trade to a contender, and we can swap expirings for his expiring; washington maybe picks up an extra 2nd rounder



Or (dream scenario), Butler is available for expirings and a first rounder.

I thought about DC as well, but the players the Celtics would want and could afford in trades are in their last year. 

On the flip side, Jamison could be a big boost to Cleveland (only having to sign and trade Wally to make it happen)

No, I want DC to bounce back.

Yeah, i see what you mean. I would like a BBD/Scal for Foye swap, though, if Washington decided that they were set with Young as backup shooting guard behind Miller and wanted some more beef up front.

[wdleehi]

Washington.

I'd love to get Foye somehow, maybe for Baby and some expirings.

Or if Miller asks for a trade to a contender, and we can swap expirings for his expiring; washington maybe picks up an extra 2nd rounder



Or (dream scenario), Butler is available for expirings and a first rounder.

I thought about DC as well, but the players the Celtics would want and could afford in trades are in their last year. 

On the flip side, Jamison could be a big boost to Cleveland (only having to sign and trade Wally to make it happen)

No, I want DC to bounce back.

Yeah, i see what you mean. I would like a BBD/Scal for Foye swap, though, if Washington decided that they were set with Young as backup shooting guard behind Miller and wanted some more beef up front.

I think Young has bombed out on them.

[rondohondo]

I don't know which of the teams are going broke.  Bill SImmons wrote an article last year that basically alluded that some of the teams in the league were going to either have to relocate or (super unlikely) do the unthinkable and actually end operations completely.  Seriously doubt that happens, but I AM curious if some of these teams are in serious financial trouble. 

In a thread a couple weeks ago I talked about how if Ray Allen ended up getting hurt and we no longer had a tangible use for him on the basketball court... he'd suddenly just become a massive expiring contract.  Then the crazy example I brought up was that if the Kings were DESPERATE to free up money (are they planning to sell the team?), they could trade Kevin Martin, Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia and Andres Nocioni to Boston for Ray, Tony and Scal's expiring contracts... and end up saving themselves over 100 million over the next 4 years. 

That's a nutty idea... but I do wonder which of these teams are in the worst shape.   Is there a point where Memphis would decide, "We don't want to pay Rudy Gay"?

Usually if a team is about to sell they try to get rid of those bloated contracts so the team is more desirable to a potential buyer.  If the Kings were looking for a new owner... eliminating the 130 million in guaranteed contracts (Martin, Udrih, Garcia and NOcioni) would probably be a step they would take.  Especially if the team is losing and there is no realistic reason to be paying those players that much money.  That's the logic Memphis had when they dumped Pau Gasol.  "well we sucked when we were paying him ... so why not suck without paying him"

The Bobcats were in deep financial trouble last year and that they were trying to sell the team.

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For sale: Bobcats owner Johnson seeking buyer



CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- After losing tens of millions of dollars, the first black majority owner of a major professional sports team is exploring selling the Charlotte Bobcats.

Bob Johnson's decision could pave the way for minority investor Michael Jordan to take control of the team -- if he's willing to meet Johnson's price.

The NBA confirmed Friday that Johnson is using a New York-based sports financial services firm to seek additional investors. Jordan said in February that he'd be interested in someday getting majority control of the team.

Johnson and Jordan did not immediately respond to requests for interviews on Friday through team spokesmen.

The Charlotte Observer first reported Thursday that Johnson is using Galatioto Sports Partners to help with a potential sale. The firm, which Johnson used to assemble his initial group of minority investors, includes former NBA deputy commissioner Russ Granik.

"We are aware that Bob Johnson is looking for additional investors, and has retained Galatioto to assist that effort," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said.

Johnson's ownership of the team has been rocky since he paid the NBA $300 million for the expansion franchise in 2003, just over a year after the Hornets left Charlotte for New Orleans.

The founder of Black Entertainment Television hasn't come close to turning a profit because of poor attendance, lagging sponsorship sales and a failed attempt to start a regional sports television network.

Johnson could find a buyer in Jordan, who bought a minority stake in the team in 2006. Johnson then gave Jordan total control of the basketball operations.

In February, Jordan said he'd like to increase his stake in the team.

"My interest to grow as an investor is still strong," said Jordan, who was voted into the Basketball Hall of Fame last month. "Purchasing the whole team I don't think that's an option right now. But if parts of the team become available, financially, if I can afford it, I'd definitely like to grow my investment."

Finding an agreeable price may not be easy. Forbes magazine recently valued the team at $284 million, less than Johnson's expansion fee. The team plays in a city hard hit by the financial crisis, and the credit crunch could hurt any deal of that magnitude.

However, the team also keeps all profits from the downtown Charlotte arena it operates and the Bobcats have improved on the court. Jordan hired Hall of Fame coach Larry Brown last year and he guided the Bobcats to a 35-47 record, the best in the franchise's five seasons.

They would likely want to cut payroll so they can sell the team( unless they already sold it and I am not aware).

Would love to see  a trade like this

Bos Sends: Ray Allen and BBD for

Char sends: Gerald Wallace and Boris Diaw.

Wallace would be great for the team D and while he is not near the outside shooter ray is I think he makes up for it with his D and hustle and rebounding( 11 per game this year). Plus he could score. Diaw would also bring a very versatile player to are bench who can play the sf and pf positions and give PP and KG some rest.


This trade would save the Bobcats 50 mil over the next 3 years . It would also bring them very close to being able to offer a max contract next year after the team is sold

[nickagneta]

Why anyone would try to put another franchise in Charlotte after the first failed attempt is beyond me. The Carolinas are all about college basket. They could care less about pro ball.

And whoever buys the team would be well advised to move it fast. Where? I hear Seattle is looking for a team.