Is This Team Out Of Gas Already?!!?!??!

[star18]

Honestly if they held Phoenix to 80 points they would be on pace to break every record in the history of the NBA, best record, best defense, largest margin of victory by a landslide.   30 points away from by far being the best team ever, I'll take it.

How's fiercely limiting your sample size going, bud?

What does sample size have to do with anything?  The Celtics numbers compared to every other team that played their first 8 games in the NBA is very favorable.  All I am saying is that just 30 points less and they would have records by a landslide over every other team in NBA history after 8 games.   Even with the 110 points by Phoenix they still have some of the highest numbers in NBA history after 8 games. Sample size means nothing.  Every NBA team in their first 8 games played 8 games.

[MattG12]

Well first of all... we're an elderly team.

Second... we just played 8 games in 12 nights.  That is kinda rough.  4 games in the last 5 nights... that's pretty brutal.  We've already had 3 back to backs.  What's up with that?  Pretty sure we've played more games than any other team.  

And we'd be undefeated had the Suns not shot as brilliantly as they did.

Team is definitely gassed.  

HAHA! By using the term "elderly" you have just earned yourself a Tommy Point.

[MattG12]

Honestly if they held Phoenix to 80 points they would be on pace to break every record in the history of the NBA, best record, best defense, largest margin of victory by a landslide.   30 points away from by far being the best team ever, I'll take it.

How's fiercely limiting your sample size going, bud?

You are giving your opinions based on the exact same sample size. You can't skew the statistics both ways just to make a point.

But then I can't win. That's no fun.

haha no... It's no fun if you do win. If you win that mean the Celtics are in big trouble. If you lose, we have nothing to worry about. I think everybody on CB would agree that we do not want you to win this debate.

[star18]

Now look at the Celtics compared to the other Top 3 teams in the league who are supposed to be their in June.
Lakers 6 played 4 at home, 3 with losing records
Cavs:7 played, 4 at home, 3 with losing records
Magic:6 played, 3 at home, 3 with losing records
Celtics:8 played, 4 at home, 3 with losing records.

They compare favorably with those teams.  No team has played more road, than home games.  No team has played more games against teams at .500 or winning records.    Yes it is only 8 games, but we look like the best team in the NBA so far.
Do the Lakers look great? No they lost big to Dallas
Do the Cavs look great? No they already lost 3 games, 2 at home.
Do the Magic look great? They look a little better, but still already lost at Detroit.

[Rondo_is_better]

I hate to say it, but we looked old tonight against the Nets. Creaky. a step slow. Not lazy, but just not physically able to do things quickly.

If the Nets weren't the Nets--with 7 players, no less--we would have lost that game. Same thing for the Timberwolves.

This team seems like the best team in the league on 3 days rest; NOT the best team in the league.

I hope I'm wrong.

Tanguay and Scal and everybody involved with the team is saying it was the 8 games in 12 days that made everyone tired and lethargic, but I ask, what is going to keep the Celtics from playing in this fatigued, slow manner every time they have to play a back to back, or late in the seaason, or in the playoffs after the fatigue of a long season?

They just came off a brutal stretch and need to get back and practice. Calm down everything is going to be okay...

Uhh I don't really need to calm down right now, bud. I'm pretty chill. Just identifying a cause for concern as the season goes on--if we're out of gas after a jam-packed stretch now, what keeps us from being out of gas in the playoffs after MANY of these jam-packed stretches and the wear and tear of the regular season? A team breaking down this early is cause for concern.

Just last year the Celtics started 27-2 and didn't break down until late December. Now its happening 8 games in? Not good....

I understand where you're coming from, but have some faith. The C's haven't "broken down" yet. All that matters at this point is that they are 7-1. If any team has "broken down", it's the Cavs, and I hate to say it but they haven't broken down either. They'll be in the hunt later in the season along with the Celtics.

Fair enough. But we looked shaky as balls tonight. To the point that I got worried...and if one game is enough to make me worried, then it is one hell of a bad game--bad enough to make me worried about the whole season to come, even.

Based on that logic if one game is enough to cause you to worry, one good game should be enough for you to regain your confidence. So... here you go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291027005

Not really. In the real world something doesn't have to be weighted equally like that. If someone breaks a person's trust, like for example cheating on their spouse, it takes a lot more than being truthful about the next thing that happens to win that person's trust back. 

[star18]

Rondobetter, I know you don't like my posts and disagree with everything I post, but stats are stats.   I usually just type in stats that people are not aware of.
Celtics have played 8 games already most in NBA, only 7 teams in the league have even played 7 games.   Celtics are +14 already in margin of victory ahead by a landslide and +8 in the assits margin again ahead by a landslide versus the rest of the NBA.
Also 5 of their 8 games are against teams .500 or better.
So is #1 in the NBA good enough, or were you expecting better?

[Rondo_is_better]

Now look at the Celtics compared to the other Top 3 teams in the league who are supposed to be their in June.
Lakers 6 played 4 at home, 3 with losing records
Cavs:7 played, 4 at home, 3 with losing records
Magic:6 played, 3 at home, 3 with losing records
Celtics:8 played, 4 at home, 3 with losing records.

They compare favorably with those teams.  No team has played more road, than home games.  No team has played more games against teams at .500 or winning records.    Yes it is only 8 games, but we look like the best team in the NBA so far.
Do the Lakers look great? No they lost big to Dallas
Do the Cavs look great? No they already lost 3 games, 2 at home.
Do the Magic look great? They look a little better, but still already lost at Detroit.

You do an unbelievable amount of work for every post you make. Even if want to refute what you say I just don't have the energy to do the work required to do it properly. Generally, I mean.

[Rondo_is_better]

Rondobetter, I know you don't like my posts and disagree with everything I post, but stats are stats.   I usually just type in stats that people are not aware of.
Celtics have played 8 games already most in NBA, only 7 teams in the league have even played 7 games.   Celtics are +14 already in margin of victory ahead by a landslide and +8 in the assits margin again ahead by a landslide versus the rest of the NBA.
Also 5 of their 8 games are against teams .500 or better.
So is #1 in the NBA good enough, or were you expecting better?

In this particular case I think I misinterpreted your statistics. And I think I still don't fully understand what you're saying because I don't have the energy for reading comprehension.

[MattG12]

I hate to say it, but we looked old tonight against the Nets. Creaky. a step slow. Not lazy, but just not physically able to do things quickly.

If the Nets weren't the Nets--with 7 players, no less--we would have lost that game. Same thing for the Timberwolves.

This team seems like the best team in the league on 3 days rest; NOT the best team in the league.

I hope I'm wrong.

Tanguay and Scal and everybody involved with the team is saying it was the 8 games in 12 days that made everyone tired and lethargic, but I ask, what is going to keep the Celtics from playing in this fatigued, slow manner every time they have to play a back to back, or late in the seaason, or in the playoffs after the fatigue of a long season?

They just came off a brutal stretch and need to get back and practice. Calm down everything is going to be okay...

Uhh I don't really need to calm down right now, bud. I'm pretty chill. Just identifying a cause for concern as the season goes on--if we're out of gas after a jam-packed stretch now, what keeps us from being out of gas in the playoffs after MANY of these jam-packed stretches and the wear and tear of the regular season? A team breaking down this early is cause for concern.

Just last year the Celtics started 27-2 and didn't break down until late December. Now its happening 8 games in? Not good....

I understand where you're coming from, but have some faith. The C's haven't "broken down" yet. All that matters at this point is that they are 7-1. If any team has "broken down", it's the Cavs, and I hate to say it but they haven't broken down either. They'll be in the hunt later in the season along with the Celtics.

Fair enough. But we looked shaky as balls tonight. To the point that I got worried...and if one game is enough to make me worried, then it is one hell of a bad game--bad enough to make me worried about the whole season to come, even.

Based on that logic if one game is enough to cause you to worry, one good game should be enough for you to regain your confidence. So... here you go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291027005

Not really. In the real world something doesn't have to be weighted equally like that. If someone breaks a person's trust, like for example cheating on their spouse, it takes a lot more than being truthful about the next thing that happens to win that person's trust back. 

How about if they tell the truth 7 times? The Celtics still have 7 wins and 1 loss.

[star18]

I'm trying to say the Celtics are #1 in the NBA right now.
Go to nba.com and look at team stats, they are at the Top in basically every category, they are ahead of LA,ORL,CLE in basically every category.  And in some categoryies they are so far ahead of everyone else they are on record-setting pace.
And you want KG to "get it up" against Brook Lopez and a bunch of other guys people never heard of tonight?
That is not how basketball works.
86-76 W, mission accomplished.
"out of gas"-not even close.

[Rondo_is_better]

I hate to say it, but we looked old tonight against the Nets. Creaky. a step slow. Not lazy, but just not physically able to do things quickly.

If the Nets weren't the Nets--with 7 players, no less--we would have lost that game. Same thing for the Timberwolves.

This team seems like the best team in the league on 3 days rest; NOT the best team in the league.

I hope I'm wrong.

Tanguay and Scal and everybody involved with the team is saying it was the 8 games in 12 days that made everyone tired and lethargic, but I ask, what is going to keep the Celtics from playing in this fatigued, slow manner every time they have to play a back to back, or late in the seaason, or in the playoffs after the fatigue of a long season?

They just came off a brutal stretch and need to get back and practice. Calm down everything is going to be okay...

Uhh I don't really need to calm down right now, bud. I'm pretty chill. Just identifying a cause for concern as the season goes on--if we're out of gas after a jam-packed stretch now, what keeps us from being out of gas in the playoffs after MANY of these jam-packed stretches and the wear and tear of the regular season? A team breaking down this early is cause for concern.

Just last year the Celtics started 27-2 and didn't break down until late December. Now its happening 8 games in? Not good....

I understand where you're coming from, but have some faith. The C's haven't "broken down" yet. All that matters at this point is that they are 7-1. If any team has "broken down", it's the Cavs, and I hate to say it but they haven't broken down either. They'll be in the hunt later in the season along with the Celtics.

Fair enough. But we looked shaky as balls tonight. To the point that I got worried...and if one game is enough to make me worried, then it is one hell of a bad game--bad enough to make me worried about the whole season to come, even.

Based on that logic if one game is enough to cause you to worry, one good game should be enough for you to regain your confidence. So... here you go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291027005

Not really. In the real world something doesn't have to be weighted equally like that. If someone breaks a person's trust, like for example cheating on their spouse, it takes a lot more than being truthful about the next thing that happens to win that person's trust back. 

How about if they tell the truth 7 times? The Celtics still have 7 wins and 1 loss.

Yeah, and that's great, but for me 5 nice wins don't mean as much in a positive way as the two horrible games we played against MIN and NJ do in a negative way. For me its like the 5 nice wins are "telling the truth" about small things and then the two bad games are like "cheating on your spouse". They don't compare in significance.

[star18]

But if you don't want to check stats, why disagree with what I post?
 

[star18]

a 10 point win while giving up 76 points is not a horrible game.
You can only go all out and try 100% in the top games against the top teams.
NJ had 7 guys in street clothes.
You think KG, Paul, Sheed & Ray, 4 of the best veterans in the game today, got psyched up banging their heads against the wall and said
"This is it guys, this is our one chance to shine, Brook Lopez and Josh Boone this is what we play basketball for, this is the biggest game of the year"
No, and I don't want to discredit Lopez & Boone either but the Nets had most of their guys in street clothes.

[MattG12]

I hate to say it, but we looked old tonight against the Nets. Creaky. a step slow. Not lazy, but just not physically able to do things quickly.

If the Nets weren't the Nets--with 7 players, no less--we would have lost that game. Same thing for the Timberwolves.

This team seems like the best team in the league on 3 days rest; NOT the best team in the league.

I hope I'm wrong.

Tanguay and Scal and everybody involved with the team is saying it was the 8 games in 12 days that made everyone tired and lethargic, but I ask, what is going to keep the Celtics from playing in this fatigued, slow manner every time they have to play a back to back, or late in the seaason, or in the playoffs after the fatigue of a long season?

They just came off a brutal stretch and need to get back and practice. Calm down everything is going to be okay...

Uhh I don't really need to calm down right now, bud. I'm pretty chill. Just identifying a cause for concern as the season goes on--if we're out of gas after a jam-packed stretch now, what keeps us from being out of gas in the playoffs after MANY of these jam-packed stretches and the wear and tear of the regular season? A team breaking down this early is cause for concern.

Just last year the Celtics started 27-2 and didn't break down until late December. Now its happening 8 games in? Not good....

I understand where you're coming from, but have some faith. The C's haven't "broken down" yet. All that matters at this point is that they are 7-1. If any team has "broken down", it's the Cavs, and I hate to say it but they haven't broken down either. They'll be in the hunt later in the season along with the Celtics.

Fair enough. But we looked shaky as balls tonight. To the point that I got worried...and if one game is enough to make me worried, then it is one hell of a bad game--bad enough to make me worried about the whole season to come, even.

Based on that logic if one game is enough to cause you to worry, one good game should be enough for you to regain your confidence. So... here you go.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291027005

Not really. In the real world something doesn't have to be weighted equally like that. If someone breaks a person's trust, like for example cheating on their spouse, it takes a lot more than being truthful about the next thing that happens to win that person's trust back. 

How about if they tell the truth 7 times? The Celtics still have 7 wins and 1 loss.

Yeah, and that's great, but for me 5 nice wins don't mean as much in a positive way as the two horrible games we played against MIN and NJ do in a negative way. For me its like the 5 nice wins are "telling the truth" about small things and then the two bad games are like "cheating on your spouse". They don't compare in significance.

Well then you just like to think of things in a negative light. The wins against the Cavs, 76ers, Bulls, and Bobcats meant more in a good way than the loss against Suns or the WIN against the Wolves or the WIN against the Nets meant in a bad way.

[Rondo_is_better]

I'm trying to say the Celtics are #1 in the NBA right now.
Go to nba.com and look at team stats, they are at the Top in basically every category, they are ahead of LA,ORL,CLE in basically every category.  And in some categoryies they are so far ahead of everyone else they are on record-setting pace.
And you want KG to "get it up" against Brook Lopez and a bunch of other guys people never heard of tonight?
That is not how basketball works.
86-76 W, mission accomplished.
"out of gas"-not even close.

This has twisted into a discussion of a point I wasn't really trying to make but the distinction is very subtle and I don't have the time to artfully explain what my true point was--save to say that what you're saying wouldn't really apply to the point that I was making. Seriously.

But yeah, I kind of do want KG to "get it up" (?) against Brook Lopez and the Nets, in the sense that I want him to look physically capable of doing so, which he did not.