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The bubble bursts. Celtics air of invincibility gone.
« on: November 07, 2009, 12:05:02 PM »

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Last night the Celtics aurora of all-time greatness took a bit of a setback. The floodgates of reality opened and their air of invincibility ended. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Boston Celtics lost a game, at home no less. But should we be shocked and chagrined? Should we be sad and holding our head down low? Or maybe, just maybe, should we all have expected it and jumped of the hyperbolic bandwagon a while back?

The Boston Celtics lost last night for a lot of reasons. They played poor defensively especially around the perimeter and on the high post pick and rolls and pick and pops. They missed a lot of easy shots from within 2 feet of the basket. They shot poorly from three point range. They missed bunches of free throws. Their bench played poorly. Two of the Big Three played poorly. They went away from their own offensive game plan and what was clearly working, especially at some of the important junctures of the game. And, the Phoenix Suns are a good team that played a whale of a game.

Walking away from this game and scratching your head trying to figure out how it all went wrong is doing nobody any good. There are going to be nights like this in an 82 game schedule and this is as good a time as any to realize that maybe we need to come to the conclusion that this Celtic team may not be the best ever assembled, that they aren't going to win 72+ games and that they may be good enough and great enough to win a title this year but that some of our extremely lofty expectations might need to come to Earth this year.

The Boston Celtics are a very good to reasonably great team. But they have their flaws and they will lose a bunch of games this year and honestly, that's okay. It's what happens in the NBA. The Celtics will get three point happy on occasion and lose. They will play poor defense on occasion and lose. They will get tired and show their advanced age, at least some of their players will, and lose. And they will play a team that comes to play and plays great and they just won't be able to win because of how good that other team is playing and they will lose.

It's okay Celtic fans. It's what happens in the NBA and funny enough, all those things happened simultaneously last night. Phoenix played great, the Celts looked and played tired and old, they played poor defensively, they got a little lazy offensively and the team in green lost. But take consolation in the fact that all those things happened and the Celtics still could have pulled this out real late with some extra great effort and a little Leprechaun Luck.

But they didn't and all they proved is that some of their fans had some unrealistic delusions of grandeur and that now that we are all back on Earth with our feet firmly planted, we can come to realize that, as much as we and and sometimes expect perfection and record breaking execution, that the Celtics are made up of people and like every person, they aren't perfect.

That doesn't mean they aren't capable of being great and winning a championship, just that they just may not be as great as some of us had hoped for or expected.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2009, 12:06:59 PM »

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Last night was a wake up call.

However, it hasn't destroyed my perception that this is a great team.


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Re: The bubble bursts. Celtics air of invincibility gone.
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2009, 12:18:58 PM »

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Last night was a wake up call.

However, it hasn't destroyed my perception that this is a great team.
Me either. I just think there may have been some overly lofty expectations out there. I think if this team can be as good as the 2007-08 team they will be World Champions. I just think the talk of 72 wins or better and greatest defensive team ever and such has been a bit over the top and I think last night showed why.

The C's are a great team, probably just not the all-time greatest.

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2009, 12:30:42 PM »

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Is it too early to say we need to blow this team up and start over :P?
Back to wanting Joe fired.

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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »

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Is it too early to say we need to blow this team up and start over :P?

That joke pains me.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

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The bubble burst for me in the Hornets game. I forgot over the off-season but that made me remember how without our defense we're just a very good team.

I'm more concerned about their play than the record honestly and I hope the coaches can find ways to creatively improvise during tough stretches like this in the schedule like I don't know make Perk the #1 offensive option and foul out the other team's front line? Play the Big 3 less so the younger legs can run and gun? I'm willing to give pretty much anything that keeps the Big 3 fresh a pass this season.
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The bubble burst for me in the Hornets game. I forgot over the off-season but that made me remember how without our defense we're just a very good team.

I'm more concerned about their play than the record honestly and I hope the coaches can find ways to creatively improvise during tough stretches like this in the schedule like I don't know make Perk the #1 offensive option and foul out the other team's front line? Play the Big 3 less so the younger legs can run and gun? I'm willing to give pretty much anything that keeps the Big 3 fresh a pass this season.
Last night they had the right offensive game plan, they just went away from it with their three point happy shooters who get lazy out there and look for the fast, easy way out. But the offense was not the problem last night, it was the defense. It was awful

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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 12:43:08 PM »

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The bubble burst for me in the Hornets game. I forgot over the off-season but that made me remember how without our defense we're just a very good team.

I'm more concerned about their play than the record honestly and I hope the coaches can find ways to creatively improvise during tough stretches like this in the schedule like I don't know make Perk the #1 offensive option and foul out the other team's front line? Play the Big 3 less so the younger legs can run and gun? I'm willing to give pretty much anything that keeps the Big 3 fresh a pass this season.
Last night they had the right offensive game plan, they just went away from it with their three point happy shooters who get lazy out there and look for the fast, easy way out. But the offense was not the problem last night, it was the defense. It was awful
Yup.

I'm going to be very interested to see how we respond tonight. NJ looks awful we should hammer them.

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The bubble burst for me in the Hornets game. I forgot over the off-season but that made me remember how without our defense we're just a very good team.

I'm more concerned about their play than the record honestly and I hope the coaches can find ways to creatively improvise during tough stretches like this in the schedule like I don't know make Perk the #1 offensive option and foul out the other team's front line? Play the Big 3 less so the younger legs can run and gun? I'm willing to give pretty much anything that keeps the Big 3 fresh a pass this season.
Last night they had the right offensive game plan, they just went away from it with their three point happy shooters who get lazy out there and look for the fast, easy way out. But the offense was not the problem last night, it was the defense. It was awful

This is right on.  Rondo mailed in the game defensively for the majority of the game, and they had way too many lapses leaving players (JRich) wide open on the perimeter.  But they would have had a great chance to come out with the win if they didn't decide to play "let's be the hero" with the perimeter shots in the last 3 minutes. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2009, 01:06:22 PM »

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Last night they had the right offensive game plan, they just went away from it with their three point happy shooters who get lazy out there and look for the fast, easy way out. But the offense was not the problem last night, it was the defense. It was awful

Thanks. I didn't watch last night's game so I was commenting based on the previous two ones.
My concern is with games where the defense probably won't show up because of fatigue or lack of practice time. I wouldn't mind seeing them try a different game plan that reduces the minutes/workload of the older players instead of putting them in a dogfight that ends in a close win/loss. I don't know if that is even possible but it's something I wish would happen.
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I thought it was getting a little out of line when they were winning. Last night it seems liked it finally cost them. I am referring to Rasheed's three point barriage. I like him taking some of those and he has been shooting well. However, we have enough guys that can do that without sacrificing a post game (ray allen, eddie house, paul pierce to a lesser extent). Rasheed needs to hit the blocks, particularly towards end of games.

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I thought it was getting a little out of line when they were winning. Last night it seems liked it finally cost them. I am referring to Rasheed's three point barriage. I like him taking some of those and he has been shooting well. However, we have enough guys that can do that without sacrificing a post game (ray allen, eddie house, paul pierce to a lesser extent). Rasheed needs to hit the blocks, particularly towards end of games.
Agreed.  I don't mind the open 3's but he was very effective down low yesterday when he went down there.  Some of those 3pt attempts were good, and some were aweful.  With 2 minutes left in the game, he rushed one up from like 5 feet beyond the line.  It was ridiculous.  If we win by hitting shots such as those, its pure luck.

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Hmm....welp, the bubble burst, but what does it really mean?

I'm not saying we'll win 72 or even 65, but that does mean we lose at least 10 games, right? We can't look at each loss and say "Well see this loss proves we won't be the best defensive team ever and/or won't win Banner 18". No, it only proves no team will ever win 82 games. Pity, huh? That said, hopefully the mistakes we make in the losses will help us in the next game and so forth, or what we did wrong against the Suns we fix against the Nets tonight.

I could of told you after the Hornets or Timberwolves game that we didn't look invincible. Last night was practically waiting to happen.

But, since we're talking about that 95-96 Bulls team that went 72-10...you know when their first loss was right? When they were 5-0, and they lost to a Orlando Magic team that went on to be 60-22 and the #2 seed in the East...and the Bulls had to beat them in the ECF.

This Celtics team got to 6-0 before their first loss. Bottom line is, we still have the best record in the league, and as long as we're willing to stop teams from killing us with 50% 3-point shooting, we'll be fine. Will it mean 72-10? Who knows. Could it mean we become one of the best defensive teams ever or something? Sure, why not?

Can't hit the panic button now, though.

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Phoenix played a hell of a game and still only beat us by seven. That's how good we are.

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As ive said during the 2007-2008 season loss to the Phoenix Suns
"that which doesnt kill us, makes us stronger".