Ray Allen

[Fafnir]

Paul shouldn't be playing the 2 at this point in his career.

If you think Ray being old will present the C's problems, Paul at the 2 will present many of the same problems.

[Chris]

To me it comes down to: Who would be the more effective starter next season Allen or Jackson? To me that answer is Jackson. He's younger, faster, better defensively and is close to equal offensively.

Jackson is no-where near as efficient an offensive player as Ray Allen is.  He also is overrated as a defender.

I think he is a good player, but I would not take him and his contract over Ray.  Ray, even with his age, is still a superior player to Jackson, and he will likely remain that way for a few more years, given his level of fitness, and his style of play. 

If the C's can sign Ray to something like a 2 year, $30 million deal, or 3 year, $25 million deal, it would end up being a much better use of resources.

And this is not even mentioning the attitude problems that Jackson brings to the table.

Now, if the C's decide Ray is leaving (or he refuses to play for reasonable money), then I would much rather they go after a younger player to replace him.  Making a run at someone like say, Josh Childress, would be my first choice. 

[CelticG1]

Pretty sure Ray Allen is a top 3 SG in the eastern conference right now and you could probably make the case that he is the best too. He's averaged more minutes than Pierce and Garnett the past couple years and he's already logging some heavy minutes this year. I highly doubt that he's going to go from 33 34 min a year as a starting SG to 20-22 min as a reserve in one year, unless he significantly drops off which i don't see.. If Ray comes back at a reduced rate I think he would be considered a steal considering what he gives you on the floor.

[RAcker]

I    Love    Ray!

[mgent]

The same Ray Allen who made the All Star team last year?

He's not gonna suddenly stop making shots after this year.  He's already declining, but he's probably got 3 more years as a starter.  More if he finds himself on a horrible team.  Ray could easily play into his late 30s.

[GroverTheClover]

To me it comes down to: Who would be the more effective starter next season Allen or Jackson? To me that answer is Jackson. He's younger, faster, better defensively and is close to equal offensively.

To me, I say Allen is the answer.





Tony Allen is younger, faster, and better defensively than Ray.







Just kidding.

I think Stephen Jackson is horribly overrated by alot of people. He's a decent complimentary piece, but his attitude and erratic shot selection can just as easily derail a team. As others have said, he is no where near as efficient as Ray. His numbers are inflated because he's GS's best player.

Ray works with this team because he plays well off the ball with his ability to catch and shoot. Captain Jack on the other hand needs the ball in his hands to create. We have Paul Pierce for that role.

[JBcat]

One way this could play out is the C's taking it year by year.  What I mean is if Ray has another all star caliber year (whether or not he makes the all star team) then maybe they will extend him a year at the max deal.    If he struggles he will still be a midseason big expiring contract we could dangle. 

Of course Wade would be my dream replacement at the 2 however unrealistic.   Maybe more realistic 2nd tier guys in the next couple years or so would be Joe Johnson, Michael Redd, Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, and Rudy Gay.  I might be missing 1 or 2 guys but I would take any of these guys as Ray's replacement in the next couple years or so and during that time I wouldn't be surprised if all of them are on the trading block at some point. 

[kozlodoev]

To me it comes down to: Who would be the more effective starter next season Allen or Jackson? To me that answer is Jackson. He's younger, faster, better defensively and is close to equal offensively.

He might be, until he punks out and demands a trade because Perk keeps eating his breakfast cereal.

Please keep this whiner away from Boston. Thanks.

[wdleehi]

He is not young.  He is 31. 


He is not fast.  He spent more time playing PF last year then SG.  (Most of his time is at SF)


If the Celtics want to replace Ray, the player must either be better (Jackson is not) or much younger with the potential to match Ray.  (And I mean a player that can earn minutes now, but still has plenty of upside)

He's younger than Ray... Umm... so there is a correlation now between speed and position   He looks faster to me...

As mentioned before, Jackson would assume the 3 spot and move Paul back to the 2.

Also, what you posed as Ray's replacement is unrealistic because of our cap and draft position. Jackson is the best realistic option.

So you are saying there us no way to add a SG that is starting calibur to the Celtics next year?

MLE
Sign and trade (using Ray for example)

[mgent]

He is not young.  He is 31. 


He is not fast.  He spent more time playing PF last year then SG.  (Most of his time is at SF)


If the Celtics want to replace Ray, the player must either be better (Jackson is not) or much younger with the potential to match Ray.  (And I mean a player that can earn minutes now, but still has plenty of upside)

He's younger than Ray... Umm... so there is a correlation now between speed and position   He looks faster to me...

As mentioned before, Jackson would assume the 3 spot and move Paul back to the 2.

Also, what you posed as Ray's replacement is unrealistic because of our cap and draft position. Jackson is the best realistic option.

So you are saying there us no way to add a SG that is starting calibur to the Celtics next year?

MLE
Sign and trade (using Ray for example)

I'd prefer a sign and keep.

[GreenFaith1819]

I say we keep Ray Allen.

I don't know the financial side that well, but somehow re-sign him after this year. He is a Class Act and needs to retire as a Celtic.

Don't forget he made the All-Star team recently and nearly won the MVP of it, lol.

Yes he has struggled a little this year (only two games), but Doc Rivers made an important point last season in response to a period when Ray wasn't shooting well----Doc stated that even when Ray is not shooting well, he is STILL a dangerous threat that can't EVER be left open.

Classic case: 2007-2008 game VS Bobcats in Charlotte..Ray was like 2 for 14, but hit that Dagger at the buzzer to win the game...."Ray Allen for the game--GOT IT!!! AT THE BUZZER"...lol.


And he keeps himself in Great shape.


In my opinion he is a top ten Shoot Guard for next three seasons.

[Chris]

OK, I am predicting it right now, either Perk or Rondo are used in a trade next summer to obtain a young SG who they view as Ray's replacement.  My money is on it being Perk.  And this site will explode with indignation.

[Donoghus]

OK, I am predicting it right now, either Perk or Rondo are used in a trade next summer to obtain a young SG who they view as Ray's replacement.  My money is on it being Perk.  And this site will explode with indignation.

Man, I sure hope not with Perk.  I will definitely help lead that charge of indignation if that happens.

Kid is improving day after day and he's still young.  The promise is there.

[Fafnir]

OK, I am predicting it right now, either Perk or Rondo are used in a trade next summer to obtain a young SG who they view as Ray's replacement.  My money is on it being Perk.  And this site will explode with indignation.

Only if they cannot extend Perk at a reasonable salary. I think they'd try to do that before they trade him.

It's a lot easier to find a SG than a shot blocker.

[Change]

OK, I am predicting it right now, either Perk or Rondo are used in a trade next summer to obtain a young SG who they view as Ray's replacement.  My money is on it being Perk.  And this site will explode with indignation.

Only if they cannot extend Perk at a reasonable salary. I think they'd try to do that before they trade him.

It's a lot easier to find a SG than a shot blocker.

Exactly. Who is going to guard Dwight? KG ain't doing it. We keep this team intact another year or two max.