Celtics making new offer to Rondo TODAY (Per Ordway, WEEI)

[Jon]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

[Chris]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

[Jon]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

OK, then let's throw that out there.  Is that really that hampering to the team's immediate interests and its future?  In the short term, it simply means a little more luxury tax, which ultimately isn't crippling if Wyc ponies up.  In the long term, if they're successful in clearing salary when the Big Three leave, will an extra 3 million a year really destroy the team's future hopes?  Furthermore, isn't there at least a pretty good chance that Rondo lives up to a contract that size?  To me, when you add what he does in the short term for the teams' title chances to what he could possibly do down the road, I could live with a 12 million a year deal. 

[Chris]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

OK, then let's throw that out there.  Is that really that hampering to the team's immediate interests and its future?  In the short term, it simply means a little more luxury tax, which ultimately isn't crippling if Wyc ponies up.  In the long term, if they're successful in clearing salary when the Big Three leave, will an extra 3 million a year really destroy the team's future hopes?  Furthermore, isn't there at least a pretty good chance that Rondo lives up to a contract that size?  To me, when you add what he does in the short term for the teams' title chances to what he could possibly do down the road, I could live with a 12 million a year deal. 

But why sign him now?  It ties the C's hands.  If Rondo gets significantly more than that next summer, it means he has improved a good deal.  So why not keep their options open, and revisit it next summer?

[Jon]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

OK, then let's throw that out there.  Is that really that hampering to the team's immediate interests and its future?  In the short term, it simply means a little more luxury tax, which ultimately isn't crippling if Wyc ponies up.  In the long term, if they're successful in clearing salary when the Big Three leave, will an extra 3 million a year really destroy the team's future hopes?  Furthermore, isn't there at least a pretty good chance that Rondo lives up to a contract that size?  To me, when you add what he does in the short term for the teams' title chances to what he could possibly do down the road, I could live with a 12 million a year deal. 

But why sign him now?  It ties the C's hands.  If Rondo gets significantly more than that next summer, it means he has improved a good deal.  So why not keep their options open, and revisit it next summer?

No, I agree with that.  I'm simply talking numbers.  I think it's quite possible that he doesn't get what he wants on the market.  I'm simply saying that I think the C's should be willing to go beyond what they see as Rondo's value in isolation and keep in mind that playing hardball with the future in mind might prevent them from winning another title or two in the present. 

[sully00]

Rondo runs two big risks outside of injury in not getting a deal done.

The first is simply he does not get better, his production does not improve or worse declines.  Not really expecting his scoring to improve we just added Wallace and KG back tough to rebound more and he has shown no signs of fixing his FT shooting.  Before you say can't happen look at Perk the year after he got his contract.

The second is that next week you are a Golden State Warrior learning how to be Nellies PF in this 6'3" under line up, or a Grizzy or a Clipper.

If you don't think it could happen ask Antoine Walker.

[GKC]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

OK, then let's throw that out there.  Is that really that hampering to the team's immediate interests and its future?  In the short term, it simply means a little more luxury tax, which ultimately isn't crippling if Wyc ponies up.  In the long term, if they're successful in clearing salary when the Big Three leave, will an extra 3 million a year really destroy the team's future hopes?  Furthermore, isn't there at least a pretty good chance that Rondo lives up to a contract that size?  To me, when you add what he does in the short term for the teams' title chances to what he could possibly do down the road, I could live with a 12 million a year deal. 

But why sign him now?  It ties the C's hands.  If Rondo gets significantly more than that next summer, it means he has improved a good deal.  So why not keep their options open, and revisit it next summer?

No, I agree with that.  I'm simply talking numbers.  I think it's quite possible that he doesn't get what he wants on the market.  I'm simply saying that I think the C's should be willing to go beyond what they see as Rondo's value in isolation and keep in mind that playing hardball with the future in mind might prevent them from winning another title or two in the present. 

This is what I've been saying all along. With a lot of teams with cap space, you never know. It'll be like a few years ago when all the free agents just got extensions, so Atlanta overpaid to pry Joe Johnson away from Phoenix as a consolation prize. And he became very good after that.

Would hate to see that happen to us.

[Chris]

I think that 5 years 45 million would be the ideal contract for both sides. I would inderstand if Danny was hesitant to offer more, but I think he'd get more in free agency.

I would not be surprised if the deal the C's offered was similar to that.  Unfortunately, Rondo likely wouldn't even consider it.

Ok, but let me throw this out there, how high is really too high?  I like 9 million too, but would 11 million really hurt the team?  Would even 12? 

I'm not advocating overpaying Rondo just for the heck of it, but I think there's a value beyond just Rondo's talent in A) keeping him around another year or two to play with the Big Three, and B) in locking up a very good pure point guard, something there isn't a lot of in the NBA. 

I'd rather overpay Rondo and win a couple more titles than lose him in free agency and potentially throw the last year or two of the Big Three's potency down the drain.  There's no guarantee that this team is going to be good enough in 3-4 years for us to really regret overpaying him. 

Personally, I think it would take something along the lines of 5 years, $60 million to even get Rondo to the table this year.  He just has very little reason to not wait.

OK, then let's throw that out there.  Is that really that hampering to the team's immediate interests and its future?  In the short term, it simply means a little more luxury tax, which ultimately isn't crippling if Wyc ponies up.  In the long term, if they're successful in clearing salary when the Big Three leave, will an extra 3 million a year really destroy the team's future hopes?  Furthermore, isn't there at least a pretty good chance that Rondo lives up to a contract that size?  To me, when you add what he does in the short term for the teams' title chances to what he could possibly do down the road, I could live with a 12 million a year deal. 

But why sign him now?  It ties the C's hands.  If Rondo gets significantly more than that next summer, it means he has improved a good deal.  So why not keep their options open, and revisit it next summer?

No, I agree with that.  I'm simply talking numbers.  I think it's quite possible that he doesn't get what he wants on the market.  I'm simply saying that I think the C's should be willing to go beyond what they see as Rondo's value in isolation and keep in mind that playing hardball with the future in mind might prevent them from winning another title or two in the present. 

Well, I figure if they are going to have to overpay for him, they might get another years worth of data on how his game/maturity progresses to be able to make a more educated decision, while also maintaining their flexibility to trade him if he does not progress like they would like.

[CoachBo]

Agreed. I'm not interested at any eight-digit number right now.

And five at 85? That's ridiculous.

My response to that: "Where would you like to be traded?"

[BballTim]

Rondo runs two big risks outside of injury in not getting a deal done.

The first is simply he does not get better, his production does not improve or worse declines.  Not really expecting his scoring to improve we just added Wallace and KG back tough to rebound more and he has shown no signs of fixing his FT shooting.  Before you say can't happen look at Perk the year after he got his contract.

The second is that next week you are a Golden State Warrior learning how to be Nellies PF in this 6'3" under line up, or a Grizzy or a Clipper.

If you don't think it could happen ask Antoine Walker.

  Perk was injured that year, wasn't he?

  Rondo's shown strong improvement each year. All the talk about him hitting a plateau before he's 24 seems a little silly.

[GKC]

Rondo runs two big risks outside of injury in not getting a deal done.

The first is simply he does not get better, his production does not improve or worse declines.  Not really expecting his scoring to improve we just added Wallace and KG back tough to rebound more and he has shown no signs of fixing his FT shooting.  Before you say can't happen look at Perk the year after he got his contract.

The second is that next week you are a Golden State Warrior learning how to be Nellies PF in this 6'3" under line up, or a Grizzy or a Clipper.

If you don't think it could happen ask Antoine Walker.

  Perk was injured that year, wasn't he?

  Rondo's shown strong improvement each year. All the talk about him hitting a plateau before he's 24 seems a little silly.

I agree. More importantly, he has the drive to become better, as shown with his offseason shooting training and his drills. If anyone see's him skating in the offseason, you clearly see he's not just doing it for fun; he really is doing it to get in great shape.

[pengaloo]

I agree. More importantly, he has the drive to become better, as shown with his offseason shooting training and his drills. If anyone see's him skating in the offseason, you clearly see he's not just doing it for fun; he really is doing it to get in great shape.

you've seen him skating in the offseason? lol that's pretty random.

[ManUp]

Agreed. I'm not interested at any eight-digit number right now.

And five at 85? That's ridiculous.

My response to that: "Where would you like to be traded?"

Aldridge has to be wrong. If not Duffy is off his rocker, Rondo isn't getting that type of money from anyone. Didn't Al Jefferson just sign a similar deal? Rondo's agent can't possibly think he's there yet. It has to be speculation on Aldridges part.

[GKC]

I agree. More importantly, he has the drive to become better, as shown with his offseason shooting training and his drills. If anyone see's him skating in the offseason, you clearly see he's not just doing it for fun; he really is doing it to get in great shape.

you've seen him skating in the offseason? lol that's pretty random.

Rondo is an avid inline Skater, and is almost always at this one rink outside of Boston. A few friends of mine went up there once and he signed one of my friends Rondo shirt.

Agreed. I'm not interested at any eight-digit number right now.

And five at 85? That's ridiculous.

My response to that: "Where would you like to be traded?"

Aldridge has to be wrong. If not Duffy is off his rocker, Rondo isn't getting that type of money from anyone. Didn't Al Jefferson just sign a similar deal? Rondo's agent can't possibly think he's there yet. It has to be speculation on Aldridges part.

Lamarcus Aldridge got 75 (68, with incentives), and I believe Rondo should be slightly under that. Rondo may be a better player, but big men generally get paid more.

The highest I would go would be 65 over 5 years. Starting at about 59, with incentives that include free throw shooting, all-star berths, all-defense teams and maybe mid-long range 2 %

[nickagneta]

Ultimately, I think this does not get done before the deadline for the extension and I think both sides will be happy with that.

I think the Celtics want Rondo to prove it to them that he is mature enough and good enough to be the financial cornerstone of the future. If he does, they will have no problem giving him a max deal next summer or matching one. If he has less than a stellar year they will be more than happy to extend him at a lower price or move him. Without a stellar year and given the economic environment, other teams are going to be less likely to offer something big.

And I think Rondo and his agent will also be willing to allow the deadline to pass because I think they realize that Boston will not be giving him a max contract now and I think they believe they will be leaving money on the table by settling now for something less. Rondo is a very confident guy and if he feels he is going to have a huge year and has the possibility of being an All-Star and a two time world championship starting PG before the age of 25, he's probably wise to let the deadline pass and play like a maniac for a max deal.

Either way, I think both sides are smart to let things wait until next year.