Tony Allen got an extension, Rondo doesn't?! Are we nuts?

[guava_wrench]

Not that it really matters, but Tony didn't get an extension.  In fact, we declined his qualifying offer (smart), and then signed him as an unrestricted free agent (not smart). 

I can't really give an educated opinion on this topic until I know how much Rondo is demanding.  For me, I'd probably do something for less than $10 million average annual value, and would pass on something for more.

It does matter. TA wasn't our first choice. We kinda got stuck with him when other things didn't work out (Posey, Maggette).

In other words, TA is irrelevant to rondo. Especially when considering the money (2.5m vs ~10m and length of contract 2ys vs ?)

[BballTim]

Nick you just listed the one big reason to try to sign him now:

5.) The free agent market of 2010 - a lot of team are betting big time that big time free agents will be available next summer. But if LeBron, Bosh, and Wade al resign with their teams there could be a lot of teams looking to fill the void with a player like Rondo and could mortgage their future for him. It might be wise to play it otu ans see what happens.

Such a team might not mortgage their future by giving up picks/players. They might just blow all of their cap space on him, thus forcing the Celtics to pay above market value for him. Or letting him walk for nothing.

I think the smart course is to have him play out the year. If he's worth the big deal, he needs to prove it with a better year than last.

I don't see it that way. I see it that if he has a spectacular year but the C's don't want him back, for whatever reason, with a sign and trade Rondo could go to whatever team he wants and the C's could pick up a lot of value through picks and or players. Could Rondo take a max deal with someone, sure but then the C's could match and a year later move him. I just all those reasons, depending upon the scenario, are good reasons to wait. You looked at it one way, I looked at it another.

  I don't know that a sign and trade is really likely. First of all there are enough teams under the cap that they could just sign Rondo without giving up any assets. Secondly, in order to do a sign and trade Danny would have to take on significant salary (which might not all be expiring) and still might have to replace Rondo. It's just as likely that he leaves and we get nothing in return.

  It's hard to say what Danny's plan is for the team in the future with the big three coming off the books over the next few years and how a deal with Rondo would affect any flexibility that Danny has. But aside from that there are risks from waiting to sign Rondo and risks to signing him now. The risks to signing him now are that he'll become injured or that he'll regress/not progress and not be worth what he signs for. The risks to waiting are that he'll be worth more money and you'll have other teams bidding for him as well as the chance you lose him for nothing.

  In terms of the money involved, if Rondo improves his play his cost will definitely go up. Sure, Danny still has the ability to sign him next summer (RFA) but it will likely cost more. I don't know that it's a great business move. He's improved significantly in each of the last two years. His improvement isn't below average for a player of his age and experience to the point that you'd expect him to plateau. Are people assuming that he's done improving as a player? I don't see it. If Danny's for whatever reason unsure of whether he wants to extend Rondo at all then it makes sense to wait. But the odds are pretty high that signing him next year will be costly.

[fanofgreen]

I'm sorry but, I'm not going to give an extension to Rondo until he can prove to me he can hit a wide open 15-17 foot jump-shot consistently.
I mean he's coming up on year 4 in the NBA and its about time he learn to hit a jump-shot consistently.

Now, I would love to see Rondo in Green for a very long time, but not if he's gonna be playing like he is right now. This year has got to be the year Rondo starts hitting the wide open jumpers,

If I'm Danny, I tell Rajon straight up, "if you don't have a jump-shot, you don't have an extension". plain and simple!

[Tr1boy]

tony allen = 2.5 million
Rondo wants = 10-15 million dollars

so you do the math. Rondo without a shot is worth 10 million but since aldridge who is an above avg pf gets 12 million per season rondo feels he deserves at least that much being an above avg pg in this league shot or no shot.

Rondo will get a 5 year 65 million dollar extension. Ray Allen won't be here next year

[gustusias]

Tony Allen , I admit, was my mistake. I thought he was extended, but I do remember how much they really wanted to sign him. The huge difference in money is unimportant to me. The fact that Rajon Rondo is such a good player is. I have followed the Celtics all my life. Cousy , of course, was the king of 'em al, but after him there was KC Jones, Emmett Byant, Larry Siegfried, Don Chaney, Chaslie Scott for a year or two I forget, Jo Jo was a shooting guard, then came Tiny and Dennis. After them there was pure garbage. On our team he right now he is only behind Couzy when it comes to passing the ball and making shots for his teammates. Neither DJ or Tiny OR KC were better at that. Tiny was a great great scorer and a good passer, a real load. Dennis was not known for his passing game. KC was a tremendous defensive player who couldn't hit the rim from ten feet never mind 15 feet. Only Tiny could compete with Rondo's passing game and Rondo is better at that.But, oh could Archbald shoot!

Rondo deserves to be wanted here and given an extension. He really is terrific. I would miss him terribly if he was on another team. I would not play with fire. There sometimes is many a slip 'tween lip and sip, and sometimes plans can backfire.  No. He does not deserve a maximum deal, but something less than that. I wonder what the numbers being talked about are, but I want him here, and a a signing now would really be a strong vote of confidence from management.

[guava_wrench]

Tony Allen , I admit, was my mistake. I thought he was extended, but I do remember how much they really wanted to sign him. The huge difference in money is unimportant to me. The fact that Rajon Rondo is such a good player is. I have followed the Celtics all my life. Cousy , of course, was the king of 'em al, but after him there was KC Jones, Emmett Byant, Larry Siegfried, Don Chaney, Chaslie Scott for a year or two I forget, Jo Jo was a shooting guard, then came Tiny and Dennis. After them there was pure garbage. On our team he right now he is only behind Couzy when it comes to passing the ball and making shots for his teammates. Neither DJ or Tiny OR KC were better at that. Tiny was a great great scorer and a good passer, a real load. Dennis was not known for his passing game. KC was a tremendous defensive player who couldn't hit the rim from ten feet never mind 15 feet. Only Tiny could compete with Rondo's passing game and Rondo is better at that.But, oh could Archbald shoot!

Rondo deserves to be wanted here and given an extension. He really is terrific. I would miss him terribly if he was on another team. I would not play with fire. There sometimes is many a slip 'tween lip and sip, and sometimes plans can backfire.  No. He does not deserve a maximum deal, but something less than that. I wonder what the numbers being talked about are, but I want him here, and a a signing now would really be a strong vote of confidence from management.

Generalizing and talking in abstractions is easy, but the devil is in the details.

They are negotiating. That is what happens. The player's agent tries to get the best contract they can, the team tries for a contract that will facilitate their goals, which for the Celtics is remaining competitive for championships.

Everyone wants him here. To bad that doesn't matter much. What matters is the contract negotiation.

[Bozo]

I keep thinking that the signing of Rondo for big money is related to money decisions regarding the Big 3.  If signing Rondo means you cannot extend Ray, or maybe even PP.   How important is Rondo in comparison to your great players.  While I appreciate the Big 3 don't have many years left, they still may have 3 or so.  

[guava_wrench]

I keep thinking that the signing of Rondo for big money is related to money decisions regarding the Big 3.  If signing Rondo means you cannot extend Ray, or maybe even PP.   How important is Rondo in comparison to your great players.  While I appreciate the Big 3 don't have many years left, they still may have 3 or so.  

That might be a bit of over-analysis. Negotiations are tough, unless you are dealing with Al Jefferson. The Celtics have their view of what Rondo's market value is, and Rondo's agent has his view.

I don't see why this would have any relationship on money for 3 guys already on the team. We can pay Ray whatever we want. Same with PP.

[Brickowski]

Well, it takes two sides to make an extension.  There is no incentive for either side to get it done now.

I expect Rondo to sign an offer sheet next Summer for something a little below the maximum, and for the Celtics to match.

[BballTim]

Well, it takes two sides to make an extension.  There is no incentive for either side to get it done now.

I expect Rondo to sign an offer sheet next Summer for something a little below the maximum, and for the Celtics to match.

  While there is risk in signing early there's incentive for both sides to get it done now. For Rondo, to score a good sized contract in case he gets injured. For the Celts, to lock up a good young player for less money than he'd get if they wait a year.

[nickagneta]

Well, it takes two sides to make an extension.  There is no incentive for either side to get it done now.

I expect Rondo to sign an offer sheet next Summer for something a little below the maximum, and for the Celtics to match.

  While there is risk in signing early there's incentive for both sides to get it done now. For Rondo, to score a good sized contract in case he gets injured. For the Celts, to lock up a good young player for less money than he'd get if they wait a year.

Yeah, but you are assuming that the young player will take less to sign now for the security. I'm not 100% sure that exists in this case. What you might have is a team that is willing to go 4 years/$36-38 million and have a player that is expecting 5-year/$60-65 million.  Maybe I am reading the situation wrong, I very well could be, but I think that's what we are looking at and the difference in years and per year salary is too far apart for something to get done quickly.

And if this is correct then I believe the best thing is to wait and see what the atmosphere is going to be like next summer. Let's not forget, the Celtics don't have to lose Rondo. they are guaranteed to retain him, just maybe not at the exact cost they would like.