Tony Allen got an extension, Rondo doesn't?! Are we nuts?

[gustusias]

Come on, Ainge!! What is the holdup? I DON'T CARE IF HE IS RESTRICTED NEXT YEAR. He is among the best to have ever played here at point guard. He might be eventually the best in the league. You stupid idiots! Don't play around with him anymore! I just won't be able to deal with another Celtics big goof story of 'if there but for fortune.' No more Lenny Bias- almost, no more Tim Duncan, Tim Hardaway who was there to be taken on draft night, Joe Johnson, no more Leon Powe, no more Larry Bird, what is he doing over there in Indiana anyways, this is nuts!!!! Rajon Rondo is the reason we win so much. Their motor only runs smoothly with him out there. He is special. Everyone knows this!!!! Anyone and everyone with eyes. When he has got the ball on a break, even when he gets into his defensive stance at half court, when the rebound goes up for grabs, you know what. I AM AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT!!! You know why? Because we have Rajon Rondo out there. While the whole league is running on elctricic, he's on nuclear. 100% rock and roll with a lot of a lot of soul. He makes my heart do flips. He is by far the most interesting, and exciting player to watch on our tam. My favorite player I would say, and if he is a restricted to be on the 1st, I will be deeply hurt and concerned. Our management, Ainge or whoever, will be guilty of an overthink and I, as a fan, will have lost some trust in them. Come on, Celts, what are you waiting for? Nothing concerns me more at this time than hearing he is signed.

[LB3533]

I think Rondo has had one great post season run and we still got ousted in the playoffs.

People want to see Rondo do what he did in the playoffs for seasons and seasons before he can get a lucrative deal.

[xmuscularghandix]

We're gonna pay him either way, what difference does it make? At least let him go out and prove that he can be a consistent player. Because last season, even last post season he didn't prove that, hell why wasn't he dominating Rafer Alston like he did Rose? Why did we have threads talking about how frustrating he is to watch last year?

He hasn't completely proven himself, and to be honest i'm a little bit worried about what happens after he signs a big long term deal.

[lon3lytoaster]

Tony only wanted 5 million, total. Rondo obviously wants a lot more than that.

I think the best option for Rondo is a Camby like contract. Say 4 years, 8-10 mil/year with heavy insentives.

[ForexPirate]

i think Rondo is gone in a sign and trade next year if he doesn't clean up his act.  He's a good player but seems to be stubborn and want to do things his own way which is causing disharmony on the team.  How can you lead a team if nobody on the team likes you?  He's got the year to fix it otherwise the team will bring in an allstar calliber player with the money that Rondo wants (D Wade) and let Rondo go on to figure it out somewhere else.   He's a great talent but with great talent comes great responsibility. 

[lon3lytoaster]

i think Rondo is gone in a sign and trade next year if he doesn't clean up his act.  He's a good player but seems to be stubborn and want to do things his own way which is causing disharmony on the team.  How can you lead a team if nobody on the team likes you?  He's got the year to fix it otherwise the team will bring in an allstar calliber player with the money that Rondo wants (D Wade) and let Rondo go on to figure it out somewhere else.   He's a great talent but with great talent comes great responsibility. 

Everyone says Rondo makes this team run, yea he's stubborn but that's kind of a good thing with the massive egos he has to control on the court. Look at Luke Ridnour, for example. In Seattle he crumbled under the pressure of Ray Allen alone. Rondo is staying strong with THREE sure fire hall of famers in the wing. I like it.

[BballTim]

i think Rondo is gone in a sign and trade next year if he doesn't clean up his act.  He's a good player but seems to be stubborn and want to do things his own way which is causing disharmony on the team.  How can you lead a team if nobody on the team likes you?  He's got the year to fix it otherwise the team will bring in an allstar calliber player with the money that Rondo wants (D Wade) and let Rondo go on to figure it out somewhere else.   He's a great talent but with great talent comes great responsibility. 

  There's a lot of teams with a lot of cap space next summer. He's just as likely to leave for nothing as in a sign and trade if not more likely.

[Fafnir]

i think Rondo is gone in a sign and trade next year if he doesn't clean up his act.  He's a good player but seems to be stubborn and want to do things his own way which is causing disharmony on the team.  How can you lead a team if nobody on the team likes you?  He's got the year to fix it otherwise the team will bring in an allstar calliber player with the money that Rondo wants (D Wade) and let Rondo go on to figure it out somewhere else.   He's a great talent but with great talent comes great responsibility. 

  There's a lot of teams with a lot of cap space next summer. He's just as likely to leave for nothing as in a sign and trade if not more likely.

That all depends on what the Celtics are willing to match.

[Roy Hobbs]

Not that it really matters, but Tony didn't get an extension.  In fact, we declined his qualifying offer (smart), and then signed him as an unrestricted free agent (not smart). 

I can't really give an educated opinion on this topic until I know how much Rondo is demanding.  For me, I'd probably do something for less than $10 million average annual value, and would pass on something for more.

[ssspence]

Tony only wanted 5 million, total. Rondo obviously wants a lot more than that.

I think the best option for Rondo is a Camby like contract. Say 4 years, 8-10 mil/year with heavy insentives.

yeah right. why does he need to take incentives? he's one of the top young players in the game, period.

did you see the contract aldridge just got? i won't defend it -- it was too much for a 2nd or 3rd guy, but rondo is not going to take under 10mil right now...

[Roy Hobbs]

Tony only wanted 5 million, total. Rondo obviously wants a lot more than that.

I think the best option for Rondo is a Camby like contract. Say 4 years, 8-10 mil/year with heavy insentives.

yeah right. why does he need to take incentives? he's one of the top young players in the game, period.

did you see the contract aldridge just got? i won't defend it -- it was too much for a 2nd or 3rd guy, but rondo is not going to take under 10mil right now...

Yeah, that's the problem.  There's a difference between "actual value" (which is fairly abstract) and "market value".  When guys like Aldridge, Bargnani, etc. start signing big extensions, it makes it harder to get Rondo for a reasonable, fair contract.

[lon3lytoaster]

Tony only wanted 5 million, total. Rondo obviously wants a lot more than that.

I think the best option for Rondo is a Camby like contract. Say 4 years, 8-10 mil/year with heavy insentives.

yeah right. why does he need to take incentives? he's one of the top young players in the game, period.

did you see the contract aldridge just got? i won't defend it -- it was too much for a 2nd or 3rd guy, but rondo is not going to take under 10mil right now...

Yeah, that's the problem.  There's a difference between "actual value" (which is fairly abstract) and "market value".  When guys like Aldridge, Bargnani, etc. start signing big extensions, it makes it harder to get Rondo for a reasonable, fair contract.

Yea, that's true but Rondo's the 4th fiddle for a little bit longer. 10 million is more than fair for him, in my opinion. Plus, with insentives he could make much more based on production and team achievments. I don't see how that's an unfair deal for him.

[ssspence]

Tony only wanted 5 million, total. Rondo obviously wants a lot more than that.

I think the best option for Rondo is a Camby like contract. Say 4 years, 8-10 mil/year with heavy insentives.

yeah right. why does he need to take incentives? he's one of the top young players in the game, period.

did you see the contract aldridge just got? i won't defend it -- it was too much for a 2nd or 3rd guy, but rondo is not going to take under 10mil right now...

Yeah, that's the problem.  There's a difference between "actual value" (which is fairly abstract) and "market value".  When guys like Aldridge, Bargnani, etc. start signing big extensions, it makes it harder to get Rondo for a reasonable, fair contract.

exactly. thanks to the raps and blazers.

[CoachBo]

Not that it really matters, but Tony didn't get an extension.  In fact, we declined his qualifying offer (smart), and then signed him as an unrestricted free agent (not smart). 

I can't really give an educated opinion on this topic until I know how much Rondo is demanding.  For me, I'd probably do something for less than $10 million average annual value, and would pass on something for more.

Exactly. Tony was essentially allowed to leave, and then resigned after the Posey fiasco. Made one really good decision with Tony, and then followed it up with a monumental mistake.

I'm nowhere near ready to declare Rondo one of the best to ever play here. That's a bit too hyperbolic for me at the moment.

So, I side with Roy: I'd do an extension right now at a reasonable price - anything under 10 large on the average per year - and pass quite happily on anything more. If the bill goes higher, I need to see significant improvement in the holes in Rondo's game, which there's really no need to reiterate at this point. It may well be that kind of improvement becomes apparent this season, although I see only a very little improvement in the very limited looks I've seen of Rondo thus far.

And I don't agree at all that Aldridge's deal - for another player at another position - establishes any market value for Rondo. That's an apples and oranges comparison. If teams begin consistently overpaying for points who can't shoot, then you've got a market issue. Not until then.

[BrickJames]

Being a GM is more about managing money than about managing talent.