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Baby = Problem....
« on: October 23, 2009, 02:39:36 AM »

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Glen Davis is gonna be a problem this year. In the Rhondo article on the main page by written by Roy, its mentioned that a younger player (advised by RR) said something last year to destroy chemistry. I bet money it's Baby. Now today comes the article from the Herald about Davis and he is basically saying he's not happy he re-signed. He doesn't want to go back to "back-up" minutes and wished he would have signed elsewhere to be a starter.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?&articleid=1206788&format=&page=1&listingType=celt#articleFull
 

From the writer:
Glen Davis has become a walking adjustment.

Coach Doc Rivers has demanded more rebounding out of the third-year forward, so he’s put renewed effort into grabbing boards.

Rasheed Wallace’s arrival on the second unit has led the coaching staff to ask Davis to holster the jumper that put him on the national radar during last spring’s Eastern Conference semifinals, so he’s taken up more of a paint-oriented role.

But Davis’ biggest change - and this is strictly a work in progress - is the need to contain his ego.

Kevin Garnett’s return from knee surgery means Davis’ prime-time role will be reduced. He’s back to being a reserve and sometimes envisions the worst possible result from it.

“It’s real difficult to go back, from playing 30 minutes or even 35 on a good night, to playing 12 or 15 on a good night,” Davis said.

As a result, Davis now faces a significant mental challenge. He must accept a smaller role.

“I don’t know how to accept that yet,” he said. “I don’t know how to do it yet. It’s not as if we’ve gone over it. Nobody tells me nothing.”


In a sense, Davis’ offseason issues went unresolved. He signed a two-year contract with the Celtics after failing to receive another offer as a restricted free agent.

Asked if he had hoped for an offer from a team with a need for a starting power forward, Davis said, “Yup.”


I personally would have been happier if they would have re-signed Leon and signed and packaged Baby and Tony for another big to help out, at least until Leon returned. Leon was the ultimate professional and a TEAM player. Baby is selfish, spoiled, whines, cries and mark my words is gonna throw a tantrum before this is all over. Baby is about Baby. Period.

I see nothing good in re-signing him.
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Re: Baby = Problem....
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2009, 03:04:12 AM »

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Baby was just fooling himself. He was money hungry after the season ended. It didn't look when your own team basically upgraded and got Sheed. Teams still has reservations about his game especially after getting abused by Rashard Lewis, and even Tyrus Thomas had his moments against Baby. For him to become the player he thinks he is Baby needs to rebound, defend, and finish at the rim better.

It could happen during the season. If KG looks good in February, Ainge could package Baby, Scal, and Tony for a stud. Maybe a true center or a great SF.

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 03:10:15 AM »

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Baby was just fooling himself. He was money hungry after the season ended. It didn't look when your own team basically upgraded and got Sheed. Teams still has reservations about his game especially after getting abused by Rashard Lewis, and even Tyrus Thomas had his moments against Baby. For him to become the player he thinks he is Baby needs to rebound, defend, and finish at the rim better.

It could happen during the season. If KG looks good in February, Ainge could package Baby, Scal, and Tony for a stud. Maybe a true center or a great SF.

Maybe that's why Doc may have thought about keeping Sweetney? Who knows then? But this article about Rondo and possibly Davis makes me think about the current state of the Ubuntu...[dang], I hope these reports aren't created from LA or Cleveland ::)

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 03:14:24 AM »

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Baby was just fooling himself. He was money hungry after the season ended. It didn't look when your own team basically upgraded and got Sheed. Teams still has reservations about his game especially after getting abused by Rashard Lewis, and even Tyrus Thomas had his moments against Baby. For him to become the player he thinks he is Baby needs to rebound, defend, and finish at the rim better.

It could happen during the season. If KG looks good in February, Ainge could package Baby, Scal, and Tony for a stud. Maybe a true center or a great SF.

Maybe that's why Doc may have thought about keeping Sweetney? Who knows then? But this article about Rondo and possibly Davis makes me think about the current state of the Ubuntu...[dang], I hope these reports aren't created from LA or Cleveland ::)

Can you say "chink in the armour". At least we now truly see where he gets his nickname!
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 04:06:39 AM »

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No offense, but if you weren't a Celtic fan, I'd just assume you were trying to rile other Celtic fans up.

Yeah, on the one hand it says BBD will have to adjust back to 15 minutes per game after playing 35+ min per game in the playoffs, but then the article says that he knows no one has to tell him how to do his role. And, what's with omitting the quote where BBD says he has a chance to be part of something great, and where he acknowledges he has to roll with it?

And BBD also says that his playoff experience will have a lasting effect as far as letting him know what he can do.

At absolute worst, he sounds like Rondo as far as having a tough time with their roles. Other than that, I feel like you've taken BBD's supposed reputation as a whiner to perceive this article as BBD possibly taking the high road on the team, even though he really didn't say anything that was shockingly unprofessional. I'm supposed to get riled up over the fact he said going back to a limited role after having a taste of what he could do as a starter would be tough? I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 07:17:03 AM »

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No offense, but if you weren't a Celtic fan, I'd just assume you were trying to rile other Celtic fans up.

Yeah, on the one hand it says BBD will have to adjust back to 15 minutes per game after playing 35+ min per game in the playoffs, but then the article says that he knows no one has to tell him how to do his role. And, what's with omitting the quote where BBD says he has a chance to be part of something great, and where he acknowledges he has to roll with it?

And BBD also says that his playoff experience will have a lasting effect as far as letting him know what he can do.

At absolute worst, he sounds like Rondo as far as having a tough time with their roles. Other than that, I feel like you've taken BBD's supposed reputation as a whiner to perceive this article as BBD possibly taking the high road on the team, even though he really didn't say anything that was shockingly unprofessional. I'm supposed to get riled up over the fact he said going back to a limited role after having a taste of what he could do as a starter would be tough? I'd be surprised if he wasn't.

TP4U. Could not agree more!!!!

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The key to me is he understand it will be a difficult transitions, but he is talking about it shows that he is willing to work on it.   (positive fan thinking)



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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 07:58:45 AM »

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there have been times during the preseason where it's looked like a bunch of guys are laughing and getting along really well, and GD is in the background like WICKED serious and not interacting.

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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 08:01:36 AM »

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I could see him getting traded by the deadline, especially if a Celtics team need becomes glaringly obvious throughout the season or some other team with highish expectations bombs and wants to unload a decent player.

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 08:12:20 AM »

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I winced a little when I read that article this morning, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's just not that bad.

Most of the negative in there is Mark Murphy's speculation/interpretation rather than what BBD actually said. And the Herald is the same paper that used a non-authenticated Twitter page as a source and then wrote an article called "Baby Cries Foul," as if it were Glen Davis' fault that the Herald didn't bother to check its facts.

What did BBD actually say?

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“It’s real difficult to go back, from playing 30 minutes or even 35 on a good night, to playing 12 or 15 on a good night,”

And? Would it be better to have him say "I'd rather not play?" If the Celtics wanted a player who didn't care whether he played and made no effort to get better or get more playing time, they could have kept Patrick O'Bryant.

It's fairly unusual-- love you, Scal!-- to have a player who goes from 0 minutes to 40 minutes to 0 minutes and never laments  it.

But Baby  didn't say he wasn't willing to take a reduced role, or that he doesn't want what's best for the team, or that he's unhappy to be in Boston and would like a trade.

He just said it was difficult.

Is anyone going to say that there's nothing difficult about it?

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“I hope so,”

A professional basketball player hopes to play basketball? Stop the presses!

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I don’t know how to accept that yet,” he said. “I don’t know how to do it yet. It’s not as if we’ve gone over it. Nobody tells me nothing.”

He doesn't know how to do something he hasn't done yet? Don't most of us not know exactly how to handle a situation we haven't had to handle yet?

The "nobody tells me nothing" might be whiny... but is also a sign that no one HAS to tell him anything because he's doing the right thing without instruction.

If he was being a problem, I have a sneaking suspicion that he has teammates and coaches who would tell him all about what he was doing wrong.

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“That’s great, to have the chance to be a part of something this great,” Davis said. “I’m here now - a part of it. So I have to roll with the shot I’ve got. I’m here until they don’t want me anymore.”

Seems like this mitigates anything else he said about being frustrated. Awareness that he's part of something beyond himself-- check.

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Asked if he had hoped for an offer from a team with a need for a starting power forward, Davis said, “Yup.”

It would be pretty weird if a free agent didn't want any offers, especially offers that come with lots of money and prestige.

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“It helped me as a player - it helped me in just showing how I can be a star in this league,” he said. “It was a good experience for me, and I think it will have a lasting effect as far as letting me know what I can do.”

He likes knowing that he can do more and feeling confident.

In summary, he says that this year will be challenging as well as great, and he's working on it. He was honest, perhaps with a hint of whining... but nothing to make me wish the Celtics had let him go as a free agent.

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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 08:15:15 AM »

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he is one of our most tradeable assets, our starting 5 is untouchable, eddie house, rasheed, marquis wont be traded, Big Baby while he is a luxury to have is not a must have on this team. If he poses any kind of problem then I can see them trading him also for a nice role player in return.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 08:20:21 AM »

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Wow.  Talk about jumping to conclusions. ::)

I wonder if the OP was one that was never crazy about Baby in the first place.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2009, 08:30:04 AM »

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Davis is an emotional guy who speaks from the heart without much of a filter.  So I am sure the stuff he said is how he feels (or felt at the time of the interview).  However, that doesn't mean he is going to be a problem.  He also is a professional, and will do whatever he can to help the team.

Now, I would bet that there will be another outburst or two during the season.  But I also am willing to bet that it will be followed by him apologizing to his teammates/coaches, and nothing more being made of it as far as the team is concerned.  But he is a columnist's dream.

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Yeah, on the one hand it says BBD will have to adjust back to 15 minutes per game after playing 35+ min per game in the playoffs, but then the article says that he knows no one has to tell him how to do his role.


  My first thought on reading this was "I really don't see him playing 15 minutes a game this year..."

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 08:38:49 AM »

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Yeah, on the one hand it says BBD will have to adjust back to 15 minutes per game after playing 35+ min per game in the playoffs, but then the article says that he knows no one has to tell him how to do his role.


  My first thought on reading this was "I really don't see him playing 15 minutes a game this year..."

He will probably average close to 20 for the year, but still play 12-15 when everyone is healthy.  Doc wants to get the most out of KG and Wallace, so I have a feeling he will be using a 4 man bigs rotation.