Kelly Dwyer says: Doc Rivers not a top 10 coach of the 2000's

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-top-10-NBA-coaches-of-the-last-decade?urn=nba,193972

#10: Larry Brown
#9: Pat Riley
#8: Jerry Sloan
#7: Scott Skiles
#6: Mike D'Antoni
#5: Flip Saunders
#4: Stan Van Gundy
#3: Hubie Brown
#2: Phil Jackson
#1: Gregg Popovich

Oh, Kelly Dwyer. Oh what have you done?

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Keep refreshing, eventually, they will have a chat up. Then, we shall have our revenge. In the mean time, let's co-ordinate our attack.

Point of contention #1:
Scott Skiles? Really?

Discuss.

[ACF]

What is Skiles's winning percentage?
We have to take it from there.

[indeedproceed]

6 of them haven't won a title. 7 Haven't won the COTY award this decade. 4 of them have been run off rather dramatically from a team they had previous success on. Not one is named Doc Rivers. Shenanigans!

[RAcker]

Here are my problems:

Scott Skiles  I bet the average fan can't even remember who all he has coached.

Mike D'Antoni  What tha?  This guy choked every chance he had of getting to the big dance while with Phoenix.

Stan Van Gundy  He has now been to The Finals once and got swept.  He beat a depleted Celtics team in 7 and the Brons.  I guess he's been really good in the regular season with the Heat and Magic.

Hubie Brown  Wow.  Just wow.  He got the Memphis Grizzlies into the playoffs with Gasol on the team.  Is this really that spectacular? He's 3rd?  At least he won Coach of the Year.

[moiso]

I really like Hubie, but come on!  The guy coached like 2 years in the 2000's.

[crownsy]

Here are my problems:

Scott Skiles  I bet the average fan can't even remember who all he has coached.

Mike D'Antoni  What tha?  This guy choked every chance he had of getting to the big dance while with Phoenix.

Stan Van Gundy  He has now been to The Finals once and got swept.  He beat a depleted Celtics team in 7 and the Brons.  I guess he's been really good in the regular season with the Heat and Magic.

Hubie Brown  Wow.  Just wow.  He got the Memphis Grizzlies into the playoffs with Gasol on the team.  Is this really that spectacular? He's 3rd?  At least he won Coach of the Year.

Cosign with a TP, all 4 of those are much more indefensible than rivers, and i'm not even a huge doc guy. Hubie brown and skiles are the most laughable.

[GroverTheClover]

Skiles?! His players tuned him out. How is that good coaching?

[PosImpos]

"Coach" is the one position on a basketball team where I think the number of rings shows the true merit.

Doc has a ring, therefore he is a better coach than any of the guys on that list who don't have one.  I will stand by that claim. 

If the basketball world is ready to call Phil Jackson the greatest coach ever because he has the most rings as a coach, then Doc Rivers deserves to be heralded above the other names on this list from the past decade who have not won a championship.

[Tai]

"Coach" is the one position on a basketball team where I think the number of rings shows the true merit.

Doc has a ring, therefore he is a better coach than any of the guys on that list who don't have one.  I will stand by that claim. 

If the basketball world is ready to call Phil Jackson the greatest coach ever because he has the most rings as a coach, then Doc Rivers deserves to be heralded above the other names on this list from the past decade who have not won a championship.

Easy TP.

Additionally, Doc has a COTY award, which also helps his resume. Will Dwyer recognize Doc if the Celtics win it all again this year?

[Hoops]

I think Doc is a great coach. He's got a COY award and a championship on his resume. But the year he won COY, the Magic missed the playoffs; overall, his teams missed the playoffs 3 times and lost in the 1st round 4 times during the decade. In 2003, he only coached 12 games (going 1-11) before being fired.

I haven't reviewed the full resumes of the other coaches on the list, but those guys aside, Doc's resume doesn't stand out as being a consistently top coach over the course of a decade. Winning a championship one year may signify that you've figured out how to be a great coach, but it doesn't mean you've been a top coach all decade long. Imagine if you coached a team that failed to make the playoffs for 8 straight years and then you got lucky and won a championship in the 9th year - does that guy deserve to be on the coaches of the decade list? I say no. I'm not saying my hypothetical compares directly to Doc's coaching career, but my point is that you have to draw the line somewhere.

But again, like others have said, maybe some of the guys who made the list deserve to be there even less than Doc.

[Hoops]

"Coach" is the one position on a basketball team where I think the number of rings shows the true merit.

Doc has a ring, therefore he is a better coach than any of the guys on that list who don't have one.  I will stand by that claim. 

If the basketball world is ready to call Phil Jackson the greatest coach ever because he has the most rings as a coach, then Doc Rivers deserves to be heralded above the other names on this list from the past decade who have not won a championship.

Easy TP.

Additionally, Doc has a COTY award, which also helps his resume. Will Dwyer recognize Doc if the Celtics win it all again this year?

While I do agree that championships are important, being a great coach during 1 or 2 years of the decade does not necessarily mean that you've been a great coach for the whole decade. I guess what I'm saying is that we can quibble about what this list means, but to me, this list is more about consistency/longevity than it is about a single reference point marking the peak of excellence.

[fairweatherfan]

I wish the CB of 2 years ago could see this thread    How times change...

I don't know if Doc is such a slamdunk for the list, I think he's a good coach but his long-term record is checkered at best.  But I do know SOMEONE should be in over Skiles, the guy's the walking definition of the coach that burns out his players.  He's been steadily moving down the job prestige ladder and looks to be about one firing away from coaching in the D-League, or worse, Memphis.

[indeedproceed]

I wish the CB of 2 years ago could see this thread    How times change...

I don't know if Doc is such a slamdunk for the list, I think he's a good coach but his long-term record is checkered at best.  But I do know SOMEONE should be in over Skiles, the guy's the walking definition of the coach that burns out his players.  He's been steadily moving down the job prestige ladder and looks to be about one firing away from coaching in the D-League, or worse, Memphis.

The thought had crossed my mind. Of course, the CB from 2004 aren't really that surprised.

Just think...Doc has been here longer than 5 years. He's part of Celtics LORE now. In a good way too. If he's here for another 5..he's gonna be one of those coaches we talk about wiEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.lly some day. Tell that to those yokels on Celticsblog in 2006.

[Fan from VT]

I really can't understand Hubie being on the list. Great guy and coach, but of this decade?

Didn't Adelman have about 4 times as much success as Hubie this decade?

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