TP contest? guess Big Baby's weight :)

[mgent]

282.5 lb.

I don't think the Celtics want him to lose too much weight.  The cutoff might be something like 280 (Perk's weight).  They probably want him to still be able to push around down low like Powe used to.

Ahhhh, I miss that man.

Well Powe is only listed at 240lbs and they are both 6'8".

Yeah but Powe was just that strong.  We know Baby is also that strong, so we don't want him to lose any power.  We just want him to be able to grab rebounds like Powe did.  If he can simply replace the weight with muscle, that would allow him to take over Powe's role completely.  But if we asked him to just straight lose weight over the summer down to 270, he'd end up losing a bit of his strength.

About what you said about Powe and his rebounding:

I don't think Baby will ever be able to rebound like Powe, because rebounding is a skill, and not something that dropping a few pounds or getting more muscular will improve. Sure, it might make him a little better, but Leon was a great, great rebounder, and rebounding is one of those "you either have it or you don't" things. Leon had it, Baby doesn't really, and being more in shape isn't going to suddenly make him have it--although marginal improvement is certainly plausible. 

I think improvement can be a little more than marginal.  There's no reason that Davis can't learn how to grab more rebounds.  Losing weight and being able to jump higher and quicker will only help him.

Some people are just naturally good at rebounding, but it's not fair to say Davis doesn't have the skill so he'll never be able to rebound like Powe.

Well, I mean, his defensive rebounding has been horrible for his entire career. I don't think you can exactly blame that all on his weight. Most of rebounding is anticipation and positioning, something that even fat guys can have.

You can learn anticipation and positioning.  Some players do in fact get better at rebounding the longer they are in the league.

[Rondo_is_better]

282.5 lb.

I don't think the Celtics want him to lose too much weight.  The cutoff might be something like 280 (Perk's weight).  They probably want him to still be able to push around down low like Powe used to.

Ahhhh, I miss that man.

Well Powe is only listed at 240lbs and they are both 6'8".

Yeah but Powe was just that strong.  We know Baby is also that strong, so we don't want him to lose any power.  We just want him to be able to grab rebounds like Powe did.  If he can simply replace the weight with muscle, that would allow him to take over Powe's role completely.  But if we asked him to just straight lose weight over the summer down to 270, he'd end up losing a bit of his strength.

About what you said about Powe and his rebounding:

I don't think Baby will ever be able to rebound like Powe, because rebounding is a skill, and not something that dropping a few pounds or getting more muscular will improve. Sure, it might make him a little better, but Leon was a great, great rebounder, and rebounding is one of those "you either have it or you don't" things. Leon had it, Baby doesn't really, and being more in shape isn't going to suddenly make him have it--although marginal improvement is certainly plausible. 

I think improvement can be a little more than marginal.  There's no reason that Davis can't learn how to grab more rebounds.  Losing weight and being able to jump higher and quicker will only help him.

Some people are just naturally good at rebounding, but it's not fair to say Davis doesn't have the skill so he'll never be able to rebound like Powe.

Well, I mean, his defensive rebounding has been horrible for his entire career. I don't think you can exactly blame that all on his weight. Most of rebounding is anticipation and positioning, something that even fat guys can have.

You can learn anticipation and positioning.  Some players do in fact get better at rebounding the longer they are in the league.

First, what does those two things being supposedly learnable skills have to do with you assertion that Glen Davis' rebounding will improve because of his improved fitness?

Second, *perhaps* you can learn positioning, but you can't "teach" intuition. You just have to instinctively gravitate toward the spot you're anticipating the ball to bounce to without thinking about it.

Finally, who are these players who have improved their rebounding significantly since entering the league?

[makaveli]

Why are you guys having this disscusion in this thread?
Just post the [dang] weight and that's it OK 

[makaveli]

NBA says that official weight is 295 

[Bankshot]

282.5 lb.

I don't think the Celtics want him to lose too much weight.  The cutoff might be something like 280 (Perk's weight).  They probably want him to still be able to push around down low like Powe used to.

Ahhhh, I miss that man.

Well Powe is only listed at 240lbs and they are both 6'8".

Yeah but Powe was just that strong.  We know Baby is also that strong, so we don't want him to lose any power.  We just want him to be able to grab rebounds like Powe did.  If he can simply replace the weight with muscle, that would allow him to take over Powe's role completely.  But if we asked him to just straight lose weight over the summer down to 270, he'd end up losing a bit of his strength.

About what you said about Powe and his rebounding:

I don't think Baby will ever be able to rebound like Powe, because rebounding is a skill, and not something that dropping a few pounds or getting more muscular will improve. Sure, it might make him a little better, but Leon was a great, great rebounder, and rebounding is one of those "you either have it or you don't" things. Leon had it, Baby doesn't really, and being more in shape isn't going to suddenly make him have it--although marginal improvement is certainly plausible. 

I think improvement can be a little more than marginal.  There's no reason that Davis can't learn how to grab more rebounds.  Losing weight and being able to jump higher and quicker will only help him.

Some people are just naturally good at rebounding, but it's not fair to say Davis doesn't have the skill so he'll never be able to rebound like Powe.

Well, I mean, his defensive rebounding has been horrible for his entire career. I don't think you can exactly blame that all on his weight. Most of rebounding is anticipation and positioning, something that even fat guys can have.

You can learn anticipation and positioning.  Some players do in fact get better at rebounding the longer they are in the league.

First, what does those two things being supposedly learnable skills have to do with you assertion that Glen Davis' rebounding will improve because of his improved fitness?

Second, *perhaps* you can learn positioning, but you can't "teach" intuition. You just have to instinctively gravitate toward the spot you're anticipating the ball to bounce to without thinking about it.

Finally, who are these players who have improved their rebounding significantly since entering the league?

Well the last two games, Baby is rebounding at a pretty good rate. 5 offensive rebounds last night.

[GreenFaith1819]

I guess 276.

Whatever his new weight is, he is looking (and playing) well out there, and had a decent game last night.

Despite the loss, this team is going to be absolutely frightening once we get everyone back healthy.

[Chief]

I guess 276.

Whatever his new weight is, he is looking (and playing) well out there, and had a decent game last night.

Despite the loss, this team is going to be absolutely frightening once we get everyone back healthy.

...and a backup pg.

[GreenFaith1819]

I guess 276.

Whatever his new weight is, he is looking (and playing) well out there, and had a decent game last night.

Despite the loss, this team is going to be absolutely frightening once we get everyone back healthy.

...and a backup pg.

Good Point (TP)..I had forgotten about that. Strange how this has been overlooked for a while. I guess this wasn't really an issue with Marquis Daniels being here, but I think we'll have to address this sooner or later.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I don't think there will be any accurate way to tell.  They lie about the heights and weights of players all the time, and this definitely wouldn't be the exception. 

My honest guess, if Davis were to get on a calabrated scale in front of me, would be 290.  I know guys who are slimmer than him at a height of less than 6'0", and they're still 240.  Davis looks very big out there. 

[makaveli]

Yeah , you're right, and I really don't care, he is a very talented player with a jumpshot and has that felling for getting his feet set and drawing offensive fouls, and we've been missing that.

[pearljammer10]

287