Stephen Jackson fined for truthful comments

[JSD]

Wallace, KG and Perk as the 4/5 Rotation

Allen, Pierce and Jackson as the 2/3 rotation.


Daniels, Baby, House and Walker at the deadline for Jackson. Get it done DA.

Have you seen Jackson's contract?

You really want to give up Ray Allen and maybe Rondo for him after this year?

Although I think the Celtics would be in position to effectively renounced Ray Allen with a younger and adequate replacement (Jackson), it won't come down to that. The Celtics should be able to keep both while matching any qualifying offer to Rondo.

According to Shamsports, Jackson is set to make $8.4 Million next season. Take away the 3.5 Million due to Baby and Walker and that adds about $5 Million in payroll. Resign Ray Allen for $6-7 Million (which the market will allow) and now we've now decreased the payroll by $7 million ($5 mill added - $19 mill <--Allen's current salary = -$14 mill + $7 <--- Ray's new contract = -$7 mill). That additional $7 Million can be added to Rondo's $3 mill to give his desired $10 Mill per year.

So while the Celtics will be hesitant to dish out the MLE next summer (Jackson's better than any MLE player anyway), I don't agree with you that giving up Rondo and Allen would be the result of my trade scenario.


http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

[JSD]

I foreshadow your rebuttal to be something along the lines of "Ray Allen will demand more than $6 to $7 Million" My question then is: What team is in position to offer Allen anything over the MLE? I truly believe the Celtics will retain Allen for cheap next summer.

[Fafnir]

Wallace, KG and Perk as the 4/5 Rotation

Allen, Pierce and Jackson as the 2/3 rotation.


Daniels, Baby, House and Walker at the deadline for Jackson. Get it done DA.

Have you seen Jackson's contract?

You really want to give up Ray Allen and maybe Rondo for him after this year?

Although I think the Celtics would be in position to effectively renounced Ray Allen with a younger and adequate replacement (Jackson), it won't come down to that. The Celtics should be able to keep both while matching any qualifying offer to Rondo.

According to Shamsports, Jackson is set to make $8.4 Million next season. Take away the 3.5 Million due to Baby and Walker and that adds about $5 Million in payroll. Resign Ray Allen for $6-7 Million (which the market will allow) and now we've now decreased the payroll by $7 million ($5 mill added - $19 mill <--Allen's current salary = -$14 mill + $7 <--- Ray's new contract = -$7 mill). That additional $7 Million can be added to Rondo's $3 mill to give his desired $10 Mill per year.

So while the Celtics will be hesitant to dish out the MLE next summer (Jackson's better than any MLE player anyway), I don't agree with you that giving up Rondo and Allen would be the result of my trade scenario.


http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

You're forgeting that Paul/KGs salary go up 2 million per, and Rasheeds salary goes up 1 million. Also we'd have to sign several more players to fill out the bench and that'd reduce any savings you would count for the trade. I also don't think Ray Allen would be taking a one year deal. If he commands 7 million, he'll want additional years and probably get them.

Then you have to consider the next two years of S. Jackson's contract as well. We know there is a budget and taking on Jackson/Ray for the future would mean Rondo/Pierce/Perkins would have to be let go to stay within that budget.

[Fafnir]

I foreshadow your rebuttal to be something along the lines of "Ray Allen will demand more than $6 to $7 Million" My question then is: What team is in position to offer Allen anything over the MLE? I truly believe the Celtics will retain Allen for cheap next summer.

I'm afraid your pyschic powers failed you this time! 

To add another argument, I'm uncomfortable having Sheldon Williams or Scalabrine be our 4th big.

[JSD]

You're forgeting that Paul/KGs salary go up 2 million per, and Rasheeds salary goes up 1 million. Also we'd have to sign several more players to fill out the bench and that'd reduce any savings you would count for the trade. I also don't think Ray Allen would be taking a one year deal. If he commands 7 million, he'll want additional years and probably get them.

Yes but those raises to the players you mentioned are counteracted by  Scal, Allen and perhaps Gidden's expiring contracts.  And the "several" additional spots left on our roster will be filled out with drafted rookies and Min. contracts. The Celtics would maintain their payroll and perhaps reduce it a bit. Also, Pierce might very well opt out and go for a final long term deal (less per year more guaranteed).

Then you have to consider the next two years of S. Jackson's contract as well.

But your not considering the expiring contracts forthcoming. Pierce will not be making high teens low twenties in 2 years.

We know there is a budget and taking on Jackson/Ray for the future would mean Rondo/Pierce/Perkins would have to be let go to stay within that budget.

I 100% disagree.

[JSD]

I foreshadow your rebuttal to be something along the lines of "Ray Allen will demand more than $6 to $7 Million" My question then is: What team is in position to offer Allen anything over the MLE? I truly believe the Celtics will retain Allen for cheap next summer.

I'm afraid your pyschic powers failed you this time! 

To add another argument, I'm uncomfortable having Sheldon Williams or Scalabrine be our 4th big.

I guess so  decent try though no?

[Fafnir]

I foreshadow your rebuttal to be something along the lines of "Ray Allen will demand more than $6 to $7 Million" My question then is: What team is in position to offer Allen anything over the MLE? I truly believe the Celtics will retain Allen for cheap next summer.

I'm afraid your pyschic powers failed you this time! 

To add another argument, I'm uncomfortable having Sheldon Williams or Scalabrine be our 4th big.

I guess so  decent try though no?

Not really, its really better to let people argue for themselves. Unless of course they're saying nice thing about Tony Allen. In which case as we all know if it weren't for his injuries he'd be the LeBron stopper  .

[JSD]

I foreshadow your rebuttal to be something along the lines of "Ray Allen will demand more than $6 to $7 Million" My question then is: What team is in position to offer Allen anything over the MLE? I truly believe the Celtics will retain Allen for cheap next summer.

I'm afraid your pyschic powers failed you this time! 

To add another argument, I'm uncomfortable having Sheldon Williams or Scalabrine be our 4th big.

I guess so  decent try though no?

Not really, its really better to let people argue for themselves. Unless of course they're saying nice thing about Tony Allen. In which case as we all know if it weren't for his injuries he'd be the LeBron stopper  .

  True that.

[Fafnir]

I don't think Pierce opts out, not at the sort of deal the C's would offer.

Our payroll would be $82 million if we did what you say and just had minimum players to fill out to a 13 man roster. That's assuming Rondo gets 10 million from the C's though...

Thats a big payroll for next year, and future years assuming Perkins gets a raise, even with Pierce taking a pay cut. I don't think it will happen.

[Fafnir]

I'd also add I'm not sure S. Jackson will be traded for just expirings and a low level prospect like Bill Walker. Nor do I think BBD has any value to GS with Nellie's system.

[nickagneta]

Wallace, KG and Perk as the 4/5 Rotation

Allen, Pierce and Jackson as the 2/3 rotation.


Daniels, Baby, House and Walker at the deadline for Jackson. Get it done DA.

Have you seen Jackson's contract?

You really want to give up Ray Allen and maybe Rondo for him after this year?

How is Jackson's contract of 3 years and $27 million after this year any worse than the 2-3 years and $20-$30 million extensions some Celtics fans have been bandying about around here? I just don't understand that. Jackson is only 31, is a better passer and rebounder than is Ray and has just as much clutch playoff experience as Ray.

If I'm betting a 3 year $27 million contract on a player expecting to get steady quality play out of them for the next 3 years, I'm betting that money on the 32 year old guy not the 35 year old guy who over the last 2 1/2 years has had surgery on both ankles, a sore elbow that he wears protection for and a hamstring problem that rendered him useless in last years series against Orlando.

[Fafnir]

Wallace, KG and Perk as the 4/5 Rotation

Allen, Pierce and Jackson as the 2/3 rotation.


Daniels, Baby, House and Walker at the deadline for Jackson. Get it done DA.

Have you seen Jackson's contract?

You really want to give up Ray Allen and maybe Rondo for him after this year?

How is Jackson's contract of 3 years and $27 million after this year any worse than the 2-3 years and $20-$30 million extensions some Celtics fans have been bandying about around here? I just don't understand that. Jackson is only 31, is a better passer and rebounder than is Ray and has just as much clutch playoff experience as Ray.

If I'm betting a 3 year $27 million contract on a player expecting to get steady quality play out of them for the next 3 years, I'm betting that money on the 32 year old guy not the 35 year old guy who over the last 2 1/2 years has had surgery on both ankles, a sore elbow that he wears protection for and a hamstring problem that rendered him useless in last years series against Orlando.

I wouldn't want Ray at 9 million per for 3 years, just like I don't want S. Jackson.

[JSD]

I don't think Pierce opts out, not at the sort of deal the C's would offer.

It depends on what you think the C's would offer. If Paul get's $14+ annually for 4 years (which I think is realistic) he rips up his old deal. If not, he's looking at a substantial pay-cut once his contract is up. He will play it safe for his financial future and the flexibility of his team.

Our payroll would be $82 million if we did what you say and just had minimum players to fill out to a 13 man roster. That's assuming Rondo gets 10 million from the C's though...

Thats a big payroll for next year, and future years assuming Perkins gets a raise, even with Pierce taking a pay cut. I don't think it will happen.

According to shamsports, that would lower the payroll by $1 million dollars from this season. Also according to that site, Perk expires with KG and Sheed. So while KG takes a cut, Sheed retires the Celtics will have more than enough to re-sign Perk and stay below budget.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

[JSD]

I'd also add I'm not sure S. Jackson will be traded for just expirings and a low level prospect like Bill Walker. Nor do I think BBD has any value to GS with Nellie's system.

Well that's a different argument altogether.

[Fafnir]

Sheed retires and the Celtics re-sign Perk.

Why would Sheed leave all that money on the table. I think you should plan on him taking his player option, the Celtics certainly have to. Perk has two years left on his deal, we'll need to sign him or another center. Big men make a lot of money the Celtics have to plan to pay him or an equivalent player.

Again I don't see Pierce leaving 21 millon on the table, I also don't see the Celtics extending him at 14 million for 4 years. I think you're being overly optimistic on a lot of things.

I don't think the Celtics will keep their payroll around 85 million, not unless they're actually winning a banner each year. Taking on Stephen Jackson will mean Ray or Rondo is gone, to do otherwise would tie this franchises hands for the next 3 years.