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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2009, 12:04:42 PM »

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Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo.

I don't think Paul will be a free agent, I highly doubt he declines his option. Rondo and Ray, we have no shot at getting (Sarcasm)

Well, as you might have guessed, my point was that the only people we should really be concerned with getting next summer are our own players who we may or may not need to re-sign.
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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2009, 12:06:52 PM »

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Maybe I'm wrong about this, but even if Ray comes off for $17millish and we resign him for 7ish we'd still give a hefty raise to Rondo and we'd still be a good deal over the cap. I don't think we can get any big free agents any time soon.
See the above, if we resign Rondo and Ray, forget the salry cap, we are probably over the luxury tax next year.

Aren't we over the luxury this year? So won't we just give Rondo some of Ray's money and not resign Scala?  Wouldn't we basically be a few million less next year?

Otherwise it seems like you're saying we can't keep both.
We can keep both. But we will be over the luxury tax again and there's nothing wrong with that if the ownership group is willing to pay that money.

So basically it'll be the same as this year, but a little bit cheaper.  Then the next year we have the same situation again with PP, and the year after that the same with KG, meaning in like 2013 or something we can add one big free agent to hopefully a really really good Rondo and 3 old guys that are ok.
Depends on how they structure Ray's salary

Well they definitely aren't paying him $18mill anymore. All the big three are going to have to take $10mill paycuts or more when their time comes

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2009, 12:47:27 PM »

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Obviously, I would love LBJ or Dwade, but... not happening.

I will assume that all current players with >1 year contracts are back, that the Cs resigned Ray, and that the Cs are working with the MLE. 

The needs will be back up wing and backup PG.  If the Cs have any shot at signing Outlaw for the MLE, that would be great.  Other than that, I like the idea of splitting it up into pieces.  If we could split it between Mike Miller and Raja Bell, I would be a happy man.
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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2009, 01:46:25 PM »

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I never want to discourage posting, but sometimes I wish that a 5 minute reading of the salary cap rules and our contract numbers was required before posting about 2010 free agency. Just to get the basics covered, this post or ones like it have been a recurring theme throughout the summer. And, yes, that goes doubly for guys like Dickerson or Tanguay, on whom I place 99% of the blame for this b.s.

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2009, 02:08:41 PM »

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Since the question was "who do you want from the 10 free agent list" and not who do you think we can get, I will answer just that. Man, who is the best player in the game? Lebron, love him or hate him, he is the best with Kudos to Kobe. The thing is Lebron is still getting better and in my opinion he is the best in the league already and not by just a little.

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2009, 02:23:18 PM »

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LBJ. I hate him but I'd take him any day of the week.

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2009, 02:57:33 PM »

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Realistically, since we'll only have the MLE, I'ld go for guys like:

Rasual Butler - MLE
Kelenna Azubuike - MLE
Earl Watson - vet min
Marcus Camby - vet min
Mike Miller - MLE partial
Roger Mason - MLE
Matt Bonner - vet min
Travis Outlaw - MLE
Steve Blake - MLE partial
Anthony Carter - vet min

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2009, 04:48:56 PM »

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Actually I don't think it's unreasonable whatsoever for people to be pondering whether or not we can make a run at LeBron or D-Wade this coming summer.

What I do think is incredibly unreasonable though, is to think for one mili-second that Danny Ainge is not going to do whatever he can to, including moving heaven and earth, to get either one of those guys in green this summer. Will he be successful? Who knows? Will he try? Absolutely. Here's why...you put either one with Pierce, KG and a re-signed Ray for medium money and Perk...not only do you win a few more rings before Pierce and KG go...you have your building block for the next championship run, the next team. Any Gm who doesn't try should be fired. This is GM 101 to try to make that happen.

I also think it would be incredibly wise, career wise and from the perspective of having the chance to play on the highest stage and winning rings competing against the Lakers and Kobe for the next 3-4 years...for either LeBron or D-Wade to seriously consider going to Boston. They can win now and continue their legacy with their own rebuilt team after KG and Pierce go. It's ideal. There are few other teams that have a good young center and point( critical to win anything in the NBA) and Pierce and KG. They could get a decent money this year and catch up when Pierce comes off the books next season.

Maybe Wade goes to Cleveland? Tough, cap wise. Maybe LBJ goes to Miami? They have no center or Point. What other teams have enough of a package they'd be successful elsewhere.

As for our cap? Think creatively. If Miami knew they were losing Wade might they consider a trade of and expiring Ray Allen and a resigned Rondo for Dwade and change. Could we then re-signed Ray for medium money and use our mid level for a good vet poiint? With a good Vet point, Wade, Pierce, KG and Perk and with Ray Allen, Rasheed, Baby, Walker and Giddens and Shelden coming off the bench might we be competitive?

If you're going to lose Wade a potential franchise point in return isn't a bad consolation...

I say Ainfew absolutely makes a very hard push/sell to do everything possible to get Wade or LBJ in green this summer. He has to. You can't "not" do it. It's like passing on trying to get someone like KG in Green. 

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2009, 04:54:29 PM »

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I think us landing any of the big names is ridiculously unlikely. We don't have the value in draftpicks to justify it. That is what will make it worthwhile. Young players (who if they were already making big bucks you wouldn't be trading anyway, because they'd be worth it, or if they weren't worth it, no one would want them) expiring money and draft picks.

Think Marcus Camby, Blake Griffin and next year's pick for Dwayne Wade. That sounds more realistic.

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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2009, 05:13:21 PM »

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Realistically, since we'll only have the MLE, I'ld go for guys like:

Rasual Butler - MLE
Kelenna Azubuike - MLE
Earl Watson - vet min
Marcus Camby - vet min
Mike Miller - MLE partial
Roger Mason - MLE
Matt Bonner - vet min
Travis Outlaw - MLE
Steve Blake - MLE partial
Anthony Carter - vet min

sounds about right

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2009, 05:29:23 PM »

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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2009, 04:26:48 PM »

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Of course, trading Wade to the Clippers for Marcus Camby, Blake Griffin and next years' pick would require that D-Wade would agree to re-sign with the Clippers when he becomes and unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2010. Which, will NEVER happen.

Therefore I think it would be unlikely that the Clippers would give up Blake Griffin, Camby and a probable lottery pick for essentially nothing when Wade walks when the 2009-2010 season ends.

Both LBJ and Wade will either resign with their own teams or with someone who they feel they can immediately compete for a championship with.

Finally if we renouce the rights to the following guys once their contracts expire, we in fact do get under the cap becasue by renouncing their rights we eliminate the cap hold: Ray Allen, TAllen, EHouse, Daniels, Shelden > which adds up to about $26 mil off the books.

We have a very attractive team for Wade to come to for alot of reasons. If we wanted to trade for him, a package including Rondo ( a potential franchise point ) isn't a bad deal if you know you're going to lose Wade anyway.

Though, if Wade wants to come to Boston, I think we can get him without giving up Rondo.

I think our 2010 roster could very easily look like:

Perkins / Rasheed / Shelden
Garnett / Baby / Scal 
Pierce / Marquis / Walker
Wade / Ray Allen / Giddens
Rondo / som "Vet min Vet" / Hudson or other...

Ray Allen re-signed for medium money or mid level money...

Wade would be a fool not to come here, especially from a career / legacy perspective. He'd be competing against Lebron in the east and Kobe in the West for a title the next 3-4 years and still be just approaching 30-31..

LeBron I think is far less likely.

But of course I do wear green tinted glasses and am a hopeless optimist.

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2009, 05:09:34 PM »

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Of course, trading Wade to the Clippers for Marcus Camby, Blake Griffin and next years' pick would require that D-Wade would agree to re-sign with the Clippers when he becomes and unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2010. Which, will NEVER happen.

Therefore I think it would be unlikely that the Clippers would give up Blake Griffin, Camby and a probable lottery pick for essentially nothing when Wade walks when the 2009-2010 season ends.

Both LBJ and Wade will either resign with their own teams or with someone who they feel they can immediately compete for a championship with.

Finally if we renouce the rights to the following guys once their contracts expire, we in fact do get under the cap becasue by renouncing their rights we eliminate the cap hold: Ray Allen, TAllen, EHouse, Daniels, Shelden > which adds up to about $26 mil off the books.

We have a very attractive team for Wade to come to for alot of reasons. If we wanted to trade for him, a package including Rondo ( a potential franchise point ) isn't a bad deal if you know you're going to lose Wade anyway.

Though, if Wade wants to come to Boston, I think we can get him without giving up Rondo.

I think our 2010 roster could very easily look like:

Perkins / Rasheed / Shelden
Garnett / Baby / Scal 
Pierce / Marquis / Walker
Wade / Ray Allen / Giddens
Rondo / som "Vet min Vet" / Hudson or other...

Ray Allen re-signed for medium money or mid level money...

Wade would be a fool not to come here, especially from a career / legacy perspective. He'd be competing against Lebron in the east and Kobe in the West for a title the next 3-4 years and still be just approaching 30-31..

LeBron I think is far less likely.

But of course I do wear green tinted glasses and am a hopeless optimist.

I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Money off the books does not equal money under the cap when you are already very far over the cap.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=28668.0


For the sake of argument, let's say that the salary cap is around 56,000,000 this year. Remember, it's a soft cap because teams can exceed the cap with:
1. the MLE (worth about 5.5 million the first year plus raises thereafter) (Example: Rasheed Wallace)
2. Bird Rights exceptions, allowing teams to essentially go over the cap to ensure that they can keep their own players (example: Glen Davis's extension)
3. Trading one player for another as long as their salaries are within 125% of each other (for example, you could trade a player making 4 mil for one making 5; if you were exactly at the cap now you'd be 1 million over.)


Well, the celtics' payroll right now is 81,555,128. Very far over that 56 mil mark.

Now let's assume, generously, the cap stays the same and doesn't drop to 51-54 mil like it's projected to. Real quick math:

The salaries of Pierce, KG, Perk, Wallace, and Davis all total 54,058,093. This means that if you renounced the rights of: Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Tony Allen, JR Giddens, Bill Walker, Scalabrine, Eddie House and Sheldon Williams, you would be far enough under the cap to offer Wade or another free agent a starting salary of:
$2,000,000.
Remember that a max offer for Wade (which he will receive) is going to start at around 17,000,000.

So in order to add wade, we would have to renounce Ray and Rondo, and hope that Wade takes a 15,000,000 pay cut. Then we'd have to hope that Rondo and Ray will resign for a combined 5.5 million dollars or so (the MLE), because when you renounce a player you can no longer use bird rights to go over the cap.

Therefore the only way we can add a 2010 free agent is:

1. Sign and trade, which is incredibly unlikely because we'd have to put together a better package than anyone else in the league could make, or

2. Renounce Rondo, Ray, and anyone else we can AND have pierce decide he doesn't want 21,000,000.

Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2009, 05:31:13 PM »

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There are a lot of 2010 free agents that I want....

but the Celtics can't get any of them, so what's the point?  :-\
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Re: Which 2010 Free Agent Do You Want?
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2009, 06:49:42 PM »

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Of course, trading Wade to the Clippers for Marcus Camby, Blake Griffin and next years' pick would require that D-Wade would agree to re-sign with the Clippers when he becomes and unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2010. Which, will NEVER happen.

Therefore I think it would be unlikely that the Clippers would give up Blake Griffin, Camby and a probable lottery pick for essentially nothing when Wade walks when the 2009-2010 season ends.

Both LBJ and Wade will either resign with their own teams or with someone who they feel they can immediately compete for a championship with.

Finally if we renouce the rights to the following guys once their contracts expire, we in fact do get under the cap becasue by renouncing their rights we eliminate the cap hold: Ray Allen, TAllen, EHouse, Daniels, Shelden > which adds up to about $26 mil off the books.

We have a very attractive team for Wade to come to for alot of reasons. If we wanted to trade for him, a package including Rondo ( a potential franchise point ) isn't a bad deal if you know you're going to lose Wade anyway.

Though, if Wade wants to come to Boston, I think we can get him without giving up Rondo.

I think our 2010 roster could very easily look like:

Perkins / Rasheed / Shelden
Garnett / Baby / Scal 
Pierce / Marquis / Walker
Wade / Ray Allen / Giddens
Rondo / som "Vet min Vet" / Hudson or other...

Ray Allen re-signed for medium money or mid level money...

Wade would be a fool not to come here, especially from a career / legacy perspective. He'd be competing against Lebron in the east and Kobe in the West for a title the next 3-4 years and still be just approaching 30-31..

LeBron I think is far less likely.

But of course I do wear green tinted glasses and am a hopeless optimist.
See my post on the first page of this thread and Fan from VT's explanation. There is no room under the car except for a couple million or so, maybe, if the cap doesn't decrease to the levels they think they will.