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Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 02:06:34 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
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I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.

Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 02:11:58 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
Docs job:
keep everyone, healthy & rested!

I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.
I really don't think Davis is that quick.  I'd say Scal and KG are both quicker than him.  If he loses weight like that he'll lose a very big asset.  I'm not sure he'll still be able to hold big centers at 260.  We'd have to rely solely on Perk for that.
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Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 02:12:27 PM »

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Williams is not going to be in the rotation.  None of the other 4 bigs are likely to clear 30 mpg.  

Perk is going to lose 4th quarter mins so he will go back to about 25-28 mpg.

It is difficult to play more than half of the game rotation wise when you come off the bench.  It is more than likely that Sheed comes in at about 24-25 mpg.

At that point I think KG will be close to 30 and Baby close to 20.

As far as using 3 bigs together, it will be situational but clearly there will be times where it may be necessary as it may be advantageous.  TOR, CHA, CLE as well as other teams out West can put Pierce at significant disadvantage unless he can slide to SG.  Just because Baby is on the floor doesn't mean he has to guard the SF it can be Garnett, Wallace, or Perkins who are matching up on the opponents SF.



Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 03:46:42 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
Docs job:
keep everyone, healthy & rested!

I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.
I really don't think Davis is that quick.  I'd say Scal and KG are both quicker than him.  If he loses weight like that he'll lose a very big asset.  I'm not sure he'll still be able to hold big centers at 260.  We'd have to rely solely on Perk for that.

Scal's not quicker than anyone ( Oh except Brad Miller) but he is  a good positional defender. I think baby is quicker but with less ups than Scal. KG is coming off a surgery so we'll see what his speed is like soon too. I am anxious to see how much weight Baby loses and how it effects his game.

Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 04:21:36 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
Docs job:
keep everyone, healthy & rested!

I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.
I really don't think Davis is that quick.  I'd say Scal and KG are both quicker than him.  If he loses weight like that he'll lose a very big asset.  I'm not sure he'll still be able to hold big centers at 260.  We'd have to rely solely on Perk for that.

Scal's not quicker than anyone ( Oh except Brad Miller) but he is  a good positional defender. I think baby is quicker but with less ups than Scal. KG is coming off a surgery so we'll see what his speed is like soon too. I am anxious to see how much weight Baby loses and how it effects his game.

So it's fair to say Scal's a better perimeter defender than Davis?
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Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 04:31:34 PM »

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Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 04:32:29 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
Docs job:
keep everyone, healthy & rested!

I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.
I really don't think Davis is that quick.  I'd say Scal and KG are both quicker than him.  If he loses weight like that he'll lose a very big asset.  I'm not sure he'll still be able to hold big centers at 260.  We'd have to rely solely on Perk for that.

Scal's not quicker than anyone ( Oh except Brad Miller) but he is  a good positional defender. I think baby is quicker but with less ups than Scal. KG is coming off a surgery so we'll see what his speed is like soon too. I am anxious to see how much weight Baby loses and how it effects his game.

So it's fair to say Scal's a better perimeter defender than Davis?

I would say that question is up in the air. we'll have to see what kind of shape Baby comes back in and how hard he plays. We know what we'll get from Scal, but Davis could take a major leap forward this year.

Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 04:33:07 PM »

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There is just no way, Williams will get more minutes that BBD. Sheed and Baby will be in the same neigborhood
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 04:36:28 PM »

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Re: Playing Time BBD Odd Man Out
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 04:42:44 PM »

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If Baby loses enough weight he could see some time as a big small forward. It's nice to have a problem of too many players not enough time. we had it the other way last year.

sorry but davis might get minutes at 3rd/4th string center but he will not (or doc should be tarred and feathered ) get ANY minutes at sf
I think Williams will have to earn any minutes he gets, Davis will get pf minutes and some c minutes against low post threats.  He honestly doesn't deserve big time with garnett & Sheed (and perk) in front of him.  I'd rather no time for kg at c and give some burn to davis there.
Docs job:
keep everyone, healthy & rested!

I don't know.  Danny has hinted at it and so has BBD.  I don't necessarily see him as the true 3 out there, but I could see him in a frontline with KG and Wallace.  Who you call the "3" would be up to you. 

For those that don't like that idea, I agree that it's certainly not ideal.  However, if Doc's goal is to give the best players the most minutes possible, this might not be a terrible idea.  Think about it this way, for every minute that a KG/BBD/Sheed lineup is in, it's one minute that TA isn't playing. 
I'm sorry any talk of having KG/BBD playing at the 3 is just nuts. We'd just be giving up easy fouls on BBD trying to guard a 3 on the perimeter. Rashard was torching him and he's a tweener 3/4, a more traditional 3 would be even worse for BBD.

KG's best position is the 4, we need to maximize his impact by playing him there. I think Sheed will end up being our backup C and BBD our backup 4. Once the playoffs hit BBD will be on the pine for most of the game though, Doc has shown he'll go to a 3 big rotation if he can.

It would depend on the matchups and also Baby's weight loss. Baby has quick feet and hands and there are some slower bigger "small forwards" out there. I think it's an option if Baby comes in at close to 260. That's still a lot more weight he'd have to lose. I think he could play "small forward" as well as Scal at least.
I really don't think Davis is that quick.  I'd say Scal and KG are both quicker than him.  If he loses weight like that he'll lose a very big asset.  I'm not sure he'll still be able to hold big centers at 260.  We'd have to rely solely on Perk for that.

Scal's not quicker than anyone ( Oh except Brad Miller) but he is  a good positional defender. I think baby is quicker but with less ups than Scal. KG is coming off a surgery so we'll see what his speed is like soon too. I am anxious to see how much weight Baby loses and how it effects his game.

So it's fair to say Scal's a better perimeter defender than Davis?

I would say that question is up in the air. we'll have to see what kind of shape Baby comes back in and how hard he plays. We know what we'll get from Scal, but Davis could take a major leap forward this year.
Regardless, Scal, Davis, and KG are not SFs. 
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David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
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