Can Marquis play off the bench effectively?

[Fafnir]

So you're taking a ten game sample size to dismiss a much larger body of improved shooting? Okay....

And per/36 numbers are not wildly inaccurate when a player has been in the NBA for quite some time and been getting consistent minutes. Players production is usually very consistent on the per minute level.

I don't know what you want, I gave you his full season shot chart and then his last ten games when he was playing heavy minutes and they're pretty much the same.

Is it that hard to admit he isn't that good of a midrange shooter? Decent, yea ok but not nearly as good as he is cracked up to be around here.

I want you to actually consider what we're saying. Rather than just linking to a stats website, its a resource not the end all.

Early season Davis shot 30% on his mid-range jumpers. By the end of the year he was up to 37%. If you take the splits of his jump shot for the second half it'll to be around 40%. Which is solid numbers for a big man.

What you responded with is just his last 10 games shot chart, which isn't a big enough sample to prove what you're arguing.

[Fafnir]

His shooting percentages are awful but I'm not worried, since we won't ask him to shoot too much but more to drive and score in the paint. Plus, he will be playing alonsgside Rasheed and House, two excellent shooters who can spread the floor.

And maybe Ray will teach Marquis how to shoot the ball... but I may be asking too much there. 

haha well, Ray hasn't turned Rondo into a sniper yet so I don't think that'll be be the case with Marquis

But seriously, my concern is with spacing and I'm not entirely sure if we have it to really have an effective bench and help Marquis score. He was signed to score the ball and bring it up court so Eddie wouldn't have to.

The problem with Rasheed shooting the threes is that he isn't going to be rebounding much, that's been the story his entire career. We know he's going to do his thing no matter what, so then where are the boards coming from? Davis is lackluster there, KG's numbers are going down and Perk can't play 48 minutes.

I'm just not sold on the idea that we'll have a really effective bench overall, I guess.

That's one of the ways we'll miss Powe, and why Shelden Williams may have a surprising opportunity to challenge Baby for minutes, I think.

I don't think so, not until there is an injury. You never know but Sheldon's offensive limitations and the time it will take him to absorb the system will give BBD a huge leg up.

It'd be a nice surprise if he could though.

[MaineBleedsGreen]

His shooting percentages are awful but I'm not worried, since we won't ask him to shoot too much but more to drive and score in the paint. Plus, he will be playing alonsgside Rasheed and House, two excellent shooters who can spread the floor.

And maybe Ray will teach Marquis how to shoot the ball... but I may be asking too much there. 

haha well, Ray hasn't turned Rondo into a sniper yet so I don't think that'll be be the case with Marquis

But seriously, my concern is with spacing and I'm not entirely sure if we have it to really have an effective bench and help Marquis score. He was signed to score the ball and bring it up court so Eddie wouldn't have to.

The problem with Rasheed shooting the threes is that he isn't going to be rebounding much, that's been the story his entire career. We know he's going to do his thing no matter what, so then where are the boards coming from? Davis is lackluster there, KG's numbers are going down and Perk can't play 48 minutes.

I'm just not sold on the idea that we'll have a really effective bench overall, I guess.

That's one of the ways we'll miss Powe, and why Shelden Williams may have a surprising opportunity to challenge Baby for minutes, I think.

I don't think so, not until there is an injury. You never know but Sheldon's offensive limitations and the time it will take him to absorb the system will give BBD a huge leg up.

It'd be a nice surprise if he could though.

I agree, Shelden will find the minutes hard to come by to start the season. I figure we'll start to see him get some rotation after the new year. UNLESS, Doc feels the need to motivate Baby, we'll see how committed he is to rebound and defense this season.

[Fafnir]

His shooting percentages are awful but I'm not worried, since we won't ask him to shoot too much but more to drive and score in the paint. Plus, he will be playing alonsgside Rasheed and House, two excellent shooters who can spread the floor.

And maybe Ray will teach Marquis how to shoot the ball... but I may be asking too much there. 

haha well, Ray hasn't turned Rondo into a sniper yet so I don't think that'll be be the case with Marquis

But seriously, my concern is with spacing and I'm not entirely sure if we have it to really have an effective bench and help Marquis score. He was signed to score the ball and bring it up court so Eddie wouldn't have to.

The problem with Rasheed shooting the threes is that he isn't going to be rebounding much, that's been the story his entire career. We know he's going to do his thing no matter what, so then where are the boards coming from? Davis is lackluster there, KG's numbers are going down and Perk can't play 48 minutes.

I'm just not sold on the idea that we'll have a really effective bench overall, I guess.

That's one of the ways we'll miss Powe, and why Shelden Williams may have a surprising opportunity to challenge Baby for minutes, I think.

I don't think so, not until there is an injury. You never know but Sheldon's offensive limitations and the time it will take him to absorb the system will give BBD a huge leg up.

It'd be a nice surprise if he could though.

I agree, Shelden will find the minutes hard to come by to start the season. I figure we'll start to see him get some rotation after the new year. UNLESS, Doc feels the need to motivate Baby, we'll see how committed he is to rebound and defense this season.

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

[pengaloo]

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

I dunno.. I think effort can make up for some of his physical shortcomings. I occasionally see him chasing loose balls like his career is at stake, and I find myself thinking wow - how did he do that?!

[MaineBleedsGreen]

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

I dunno.. I think effort can make up for some of his physical shortcomings. I occasionally see him chasing loose balls like his career is at stake, and I find myself thinking wow - how did he do that?!

yeah I mean with a butt like that he should be able to box out, seal his man, and get a few more boards a game, imho. I would say that as a PF in this league that rebounding is by far his biggest weakness right now.

[ToppersBsktball10]

Daniels isn't a guy who will be jacking up threes. He mainly takes 16 foot shots and in. The penetration will be effective for our three point shooters and he can play defense, plus he's only 27 or 28. Yes, he can play off the bench effectively

[bucknersrevenge]

So you're taking a ten game sample size to dismiss a much larger body of improved shooting? Okay....

And per/36 numbers are not wildly inaccurate when a player has been in the NBA for quite some time and been getting consistent minutes. Players production is usually very consistent on the per minute level.

I don't know what you want, I gave you his full season shot chart and then his last ten games when he was playing heavy minutes and they're pretty much the same.

Is it that hard to admit he isn't that good of a midrange shooter? Decent, yea ok but not nearly as good as he is cracked up to be around here.

Jesus man, where are you now on your "Jump To Conclusions" mat?? I hate it when people try to make a counterpoint by inferring that other side is exaggerating to make there's. No one here is calling him a sniper. You just admitted he was decent which is all anyone here has ever said. Roy made the comment that he among others could spread the floor for Daniels and he can. He literally can hit a jumpshot that will spread the floor. He is passable out there. That's it. Nobody's calling him Ray Allen. We're calling him a guy who's jumper improved over the course of the season enough to be considered a weapon and he hit a number of big jumpers down the stretch up to and including the big one in the Orlando series.

[Fafnir]

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

I dunno.. I think effort can make up for some of his physical shortcomings. I occasionally see him chasing loose balls like his career is at stake, and I find myself thinking wow - how did he do that?!

yeah I mean with a butt like that he should be able to box out, seal his man, and get a few more boards a game, imho. I would say that as a PF in this league that rebounding is by far his biggest weakness right now.

He boxes out fine. He just doesn't have the tools to be a great rebounder. I'm sure he could improve. But given his rebounding rate has been constant on the defensive glass for two years I don't think its likely.

Its not like BBD has a reputation for dogging it in Boston.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

I dunno.. I think effort can make up for some of his physical shortcomings. I occasionally see him chasing loose balls like his career is at stake, and I find myself thinking wow - how did he do that?!

yeah I mean with a butt like that he should be able to box out, seal his man, and get a few more boards a game, imho. I would say that as a PF in this league that rebounding is by far his biggest weakness right now.

He boxes out fine. He just doesn't have the tools to be a great rebounder. I'm sure he could improve. But given his rebounding rate has been constant on the defensive glass for two years I don't think its likely.

Its not like BBD has a reputation for dogging it in Boston.

So in conclusion, Daniels will be just fine off the bench.

[Fafnir]

Daniels isn't a guy who will be jacking up threes. He mainly takes 16 foot shots and in. The penetration will be effective for our three point shooters and he can play defense, plus he's only 27 or 28. Yes, he can play off the bench effectively

Agreed, his game is similar to Tony's. A better player though. Hopefully it works, sometimes teams would really punish us when Tony/Rondo were out there together.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Daniels isn't a guy who will be jacking up threes. He mainly takes 16 foot shots and in. The penetration will be effective for our three point shooters and he can play defense, plus he's only 27 or 28. Yes, he can play off the bench effectively

Agreed, his game is similar to Tony's. A better player though. Hopefully it works, sometimes teams would really punish us when Tony/Rondo were out there together.

Well, when to that you add Powe, Baby (early on), and Perk... it really makes a really crappy situation with spacing. Rondo and Tony could've done quite well together, but the right combination of players have to be on the floor. I don't forsee this being a problem this year, particularly with quite a few of our bigs capable of stretching the floor.

[Aeacus]

I don't think its a lack of effort that limits BBD's rebounds. He's short for his position, has short arms, and has limited jumping ability.

Just not a recipe for a good defensive rebounder.

I dunno.. I think effort can make up for some of his physical shortcomings. I occasionally see him chasing loose balls like his career is at stake, and I find myself thinking wow - how did he do that?!

yeah I mean with a butt like that he should be able to box out, seal his man, and get a few more boards a game, imho. I would say that as a PF in this league that rebounding is by far his biggest weakness right now.

He boxes out fine. He just doesn't have the tools to be a great rebounder. I'm sure he could improve. But given his rebounding rate has been constant on the defensive glass for two years I don't think its likely.

Its not like BBD has a reputation for dogging it in Boston.

So in conclusion, Daniels will be just fine off the bench.

Yep, no worries 

[mgent]

Me being the basketball stat nerd that I am, was checking up on Daniels' season splits and saw some interesting numbers.

6.8PPG, 3.4 RPG, 1.4 APG in 20 minutes. The really scary parts are 42.5% from the field, 42.9 from the line and 11 (!) percent from three. It's in a pretty small sample size over only 11 games, but he isn't going to start in Boston.

Seeing those numbers makes me a little nervous, I knew he couldn't shoot well but I mean Rondo is a significantly better shooter and that's saying something, and not something good.

Do we really have the depth that a lot of us think we have?

42.9% from the line?
Is that seriously his FT%?
I think Daniels is gonna be a good bench player, but not great.  He's a long way off from Posey.
I honestly think Eddie is a better player off the bench for us. 

[liam]

Me being the basketball stat nerd that I am, was checking up on Daniels' season splits and saw some interesting numbers.

6.8PPG, 3.4 RPG, 1.4 APG in 20 minutes. The really scary parts are 42.5% from the field, 42.9 from the line and 11 (!) percent from three. It's in a pretty small sample size over only 11 games, but he isn't going to start in Boston.

Seeing those numbers makes me a little nervous, I knew he couldn't shoot well but I mean Rondo is a significantly better shooter and that's saying something, and not something good.

Do we really have the depth that a lot of us think we have?

42.9% from the line?
Is that seriously his FT%?
I think Daniels is gonna be a good bench player, but not great.  He's a long way off from Posey.
I honestly think Eddie is a better player off the bench for us. 

I think he's 72% FT.