Stephen Jackson Wants Out of GS

[Change]

Here is a great article from a warriors point of view on why S-Jax is untradeable due to his ridiculous contract.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/08/29/report-stephen-jackson-wants-divorce-from-warriors-but-hell-keep-rowells-gift/

I beg Ainge to not take the bait. We'll have plenty of options later.

[timepiece33]

He has his warts, but he is a useful player. Hell, someone traded for Nocioni and he is nowhere near as useful as Jackson.  You can match contracts up.

I do believe that Golden State will have to take back one bad contract (Varajeo OR Gibson from Cleveland).  I could easily see a scenario where Cleveland offers Gibson, JJ Hickson, and a minimum salary for him. 

I don't want him for Ray Allen and I don't believe they'd want Scalabrine/Allen/Giddens for him.  Plus, I also believe that we will be able to keep Rondo/Allen for a few more years for around what we are paying both now.  They will swap at some point. 

[nickagneta]

I think some are seriously underestimating just how good Stephen Jackson is. Someone said the ball stops in his hands?!?! He had 6.5 assists per game last year. He was one of four guys with LeBron, Wade and Paul to average 20+PPG, 6+APG, and 5+RPG. He is an above average defender and has great leadership qualities in him. He comes to play and wants to win as bad as any player in the league.

I think he gets a little too much of a bad rep because of his past weirdness but Jackson in his current state, is one of the best players in this league. Our cast offs(Scal, Tony, Walker, Giddens, Eddie) will never, ever, ever be enough to land him here. GS might have to move him, but they aren't going to give away the heart and soul of their team.

I could definitely see Dallas giving up the human bong, Josh Howard for Jackson and I could see where a move like that could be enough to suddenly make them a serious title contender once again out West.

A Kidd/Jackson/Marion/Dirk/Dampier starting five with a bench of Terry/Gooden/Barea/Singleton/Ross/Carroll is going to scare the hell out of some teams out West.

HAHAHA...funny how you looked at his stats.......yes he did avg 6.5 asst. which is not hard and doesn't take a lot of effort to rack up assist in that system in GSW. By the way since you are looking at his stats, go ahead and peak over at that category titled "TO" turnovers, and tell me what you see, cause when i looked at it i could have sworn it was almost 4 TURNOVERS per game!

So Stephen Jackson isn't such a great player because he led the league in TO's last year. Interesting notion. So let's take a look at the top ten players in turnovers last year:

1   S. Jackson, GSW   
2   D. Wade, MIA   
3   D. Williams, UTH   
4   S. Nash, PHO   
5   R. Westbrook, OKC   
6   C. Butler, WAS   
7   D. Harris, NJN   
8   K. Durant, OKC   
9   Y. Ming, HOU
10   D. Howard, ORL

Gee that's some horrible company he's in. Wade, Nash, Williams, Durant, Howard. I can see where those guys aren't that great because of their turnovers either.

As for the it's easy to rack up assists comments, Jackson was tied for 15th in the league and was 3rd in the league for non-PGs. If it was so easy my thoughts would be that a lot more people would be in front of him on those lists.

And I don't see how it's so easy to rack up assist in the Nelson system. GS averaged 20.9 assists per game which was 15th in the league. Jackson's numbers accounted for a third of that number. If it is so easy to rack up assists in that system, why didn't they lead the league in assists and why didn't someone else lead the Warriors in assists.

Just want to point out also that Paul Pierce averages 3.26 turnovers per 40 minutes for his entire career. Jackson, only 3.05 per 40 minutes for his whole career. Guess that guy Paul Pierce isn't all that good either!!

[Fafnir]

Jackson did have a bad year this year with regards to turnovers.

He turned it over 16% of the possessions he used. More than Pierce. He is not all that efficient of a scorer with a low TS% and Reb% isn't great for a 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jacksst02&y1=2009&p2=piercpa01&y2=2009

I don't think he's a bad player by any means. But I'm not sure we need what he brings considering Pierce does most of what Jackson does at a higher level. The health concerns and contract make him particularly unattractive for the C's.

[lon3lytoaster]

We don't have minutes for him (obviously) if we ever actually get Marquis, but if for whatever reason that deal falls through I'd be more than happy with Jax playing backup 1, 2, 3, and sometimes 4 minutes. If we came here, no way do we not have the best bench in the entire league, and it certainly beats LA, Cleveland or Orlando getting him.

Just me thinking off the top of my head for a trade idea, here but if it ever came down to it, how about Tony, Scal, Giddens and a pick for Jax and Hamed Haddadi (MEM) with GS getting Tony, Giddens, Arthur (Mem) and a pick, while Memphis gets Scalabrine and Brandon Wright?

Dont know, don't care if that either makes sense or works, cause it's probably just a wetdream either way. Although I would love Hamed Haddadi, simply because I enjoy saying his name haha

[jdub1660]

I dont care what we trade(as long as its not the starting 5) to get Jackson(He is 1 of my fav 10 players). I LOVE Eddie House, but would consider trading him just b/c Jackson can do more(he can hit just as many 3's, plus run the point and guard 4 positions. Remember, he guarded and shut down Dirk a few years ago in the playoffs) He's great. Not young, but not old either. How bout a trade of Eddie House, Tony Allen, and Scalabrine plus Cash and a 2nd rounder. Take 3 players and cut either House or Scal for us to resign if they wanted.
For all you Stephen Jackson haters, how could you not drool over a bench consisted of House,Daniels,Jackson,BBD,Sheed? That's a [dang] starting 5 compared to half the league! Get em Ainge. Suck up the bottom lip, pull out the wallet and cross pen, and make a trade demand for Capt Jack!

[nickagneta]

Jackson did have a bad year this year with regards to turnovers.

He turned it over 16% of the possessions he used. More than Pierce. He is not all that efficient of a scorer with a low TS% and Reb% isn't great for a 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jacksst02&y1=2009&p2=piercpa01&y2=2009

I don't think he's a bad player by any means. But I'm not sure we need what he brings considering Pierce does most of what Jackson does at a higher level. The health concerns and contract make him particularly unattractive for the C's.

Yes he had a bad year in TO's but that was on year. For most of his career his TO rate has been equal or less than Pierce's.

Also, his 3 pt shooting isn't all that much different than Pierce's on a career average just 2 % points. Mid 30's is mid 30's no matter what way you slice it.

I will say Jackson isn't a great rebounder but by the same token he has played the SG position a lot of years. So as a 2 he's a decent rebounder and as a 3 he's below average.

He has warts. But anyone thinking that Scal, Tony and Eddie is going to get us Stephen Jackson just isn't quite aware of just how good he is, possibly. I'm sorry but it would be the equivalent of thinking the Celtics would take a package of Radmonovic, Mohammed, and Diop for KG from Charlotte just because he got a bit disillusioned because with the Celtics.

Danny would never accept it and neither will GS accept that package for Jackson. if someone wants to undersell his game thinking it makes the trade more likely, that's great. Just don't expect it to happen.

And...I'm not saying you are saying or doing that Faf, just making a point, that's all.

[Mr October]

There is zero chance of getting Stephen Jackson without giving up Ray Allen, IMHO. ...

I agree. Even if Ray didn't have to be part of the trade, we would surely loose Ray at the end of the season (when Rondo has to be paid).

I think the C's can only pay 2 out of 3 next year: Ray, Rondo, Jackson

I'd rather keep Ray

[JHTruth]

He waited too long to put his name out there. No contender needs him as bad anymore. Cleveland just signed not only Parker but Moon when they also have West on the team. It just makes no sense for anyone outside Dallas IMHO..

[RAcker]

Change made a good point above about his horrific contract.  While I agree with both sides of the argument in terms of his pros and cons, I just don't see this happening.  I'm going to try and not even imagine him on this current Celtics team for fear of death by wishful thinking.

[twinbree]

I like Jackson he was on one of my favorite Spurs teams. But how would we get him? Even if they were willing to take his contract it's likely other teams can make GS more attractive offers.

[greg_kite]

Jackson did have a bad year this year with regards to turnovers.

He turned it over 16% of the possessions he used. More than Pierce. He is not all that efficient of a scorer with a low TS% and Reb% isn't great for a 3.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=jacksst02&y1=2009&p2=piercpa01&y2=2009

I don't think he's a bad player by any means. But I'm not sure we need what he brings considering Pierce does most of what Jackson does at a higher level. The health concerns and contract make him particularly unattractive for the C's.

Yes he had a bad year in TO's but that was on year. For most of his career his TO rate has been equal or less than Pierce's.

Also, his 3 pt shooting isn't all that much different than Pierce's on a career average just 2 % points. Mid 30's is mid 30's no matter what way you slice it.

I will say Jackson isn't a great rebounder but by the same token he has played the SG position a lot of years. So as a 2 he's a decent rebounder and as a 3 he's below average.

He has warts. But anyone thinking that Scal, Tony and Eddie is going to get us Stephen Jackson just isn't quite aware of just how good he is, possibly. I'm sorry but it would be the equivalent of thinking the Celtics would take a package of Radmonovic, Mohammed, and Diop for KG from Charlotte just because he got a bit disillusioned because with the Celtics.

Danny would never accept it and neither will GS accept that package for Jackson. if someone wants to undersell his game thinking it makes the trade more likely, that's great. Just don't expect it to happen.

And...I'm not saying you are saying or doing that Faf, just making a point, that's all.

I don't necessarily think people expect to get him for Tony, Scal and Giddens, it's just that they are our only options.  Nobody wants to trade the starting five, Sheed or Daniels.  You can't trade Baby because of base year comp.  And almost everyone loves Eddie.  So if someone will take our expiring garbage for a near all star we should try to dream about it.  I mean, Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown worked, why not Jackson for Tony Allen?

[WeMadeIt17]

Couldn't find it in any of the forums but just was reading on Realgm.com and they said the Cavs are unlikely to jump into the race for Captain Jack. So I am thinking here that he wanted to either go to the Cavs, any of the teams in Tex, or the Knicks. Now everyone here has ruled him out cause he wouldn't start.
Your right he wouldn't but the only team he would have started for was the Knicks! San Antonio has RJ and Manu, Houston has T-mac, Shane, and Ariza, and Dallas has Marion and Josh Howard. I think he would know that he would be a backup but get a lot of mins. If he came here he could bring the ball up for the second unit! You know how much rest PP and Ray ray would get with him and Daniels here! Get it done danny! The cavs look they aren't going after him time for us to!

[WeMadeIt17]

Perk/Sheed
KG/Davis/Williams
Pierce/Daniels/Jackson
Ray/House/Daniels
Rondo/Jackson

and on Defense of course with the 2's in there we could have Daniels on the 2 guard, house on the PG, and jackson on the SF goodness we would be unstoppable!

[ToppersBsktball10]

Perk/Sheed
KG/Davis/Williams
Pierce/Daniels/Jackson
Ray/House/Daniels
Rondo/Jackson

and on Defense of course with the 2's in there we could have Daniels on the 2 guard, house on the PG, and jackson on the SF goodness we would be unstoppable!

Jack's too slow for the one. Make it like this:

Perk/Sheed/Wiliams
KG/Baby/Williams
Pierce/Jackson/Daniels
Allen/Jackson/House
Rondo/Daniels/House