Marquis Daniels (non-)update

[BudweiserCeltic]

Tony and cash should do it. As I've said before, if we trade Walker or Giddens, I'd rather just get Daniels for the LLE and just try to move Tony and Scal later on in the year for something of value.

Why do people here value Walker so much?  Daniels has proven he can play in this league and put up respectable numbers.  There's a reason the pacers don't want Tony Allen, and it's for many of the same reasons that we're trying to dump him here.  If trading Walker gets us a proven player that can fill the role(s) needed, then I'm all for it.  Daniels will get paid what he's worth, and it's likely to be more than the LLE... regardless of Bill Walker.

I agree.  While I don't want to trade Walker or Giddens, if that is what needs to be done to obtain Daniels, then so be it.  The upside for both is probably starters in this league.  The downside is that they both could be out of the league in a couple of years.  But even more importantly, where does either player fit in for the short or even long term?

If Daniels comes aboard, neither will be needed in the short term for significant minutes since he'll consume most of the backup 2/3 minutes.  

Long term, I don't know.  If 3 years from now the Big Three are gone and Rondo and Perkins remain, Walker or Giddens might be a nice fit, but are they really that irreplaceable?  Quality wings are probably the easiest things to come across in the NBA.  

Again, I'd like to keep them.  But if one has to go, so be it.  

I have no problem with moving one or both of Walker and Giddens if the right trade comes along. But considering that we don't need them to obtain Daniels, I think the smarter thing to do is to keep them for future use.

There'll be plenty of opportunities to move them if needed me, and probably for something of more value than Daniels... who we can just sign if a TA deal doesn't come along.

In TA, Scal, Walker, Giddens we have about 7.7 million in expiring contracts, which includes prospects. That should be a package that should interest plenty of teams. We also have House who is expiring. All moveable parts. The team should have plenty of opportunities to turn that into something of good use/value for us if there's interest to move them at all. Just throwing two names out there, but would Hinrich be a possibility? A Gerald Wallace?

The other side of it is, who do we sign with our extra roster spot? That could either improve our situation, or make it worse if we sign a subpar player that due to his experience Doc might be compelled to play him.

Well, we don't really know if we do need to trade them or not.  If Daniels was really so amenable to signing the LLE, I think he would have done so already. 

Again, I agree with you that I'd much rather see them acquire Daniels without giving up one of them; however, if they need to, I'm all for it. 

As for saving up salary to trade later, I wouldn't necessarily count on that.  I'm not entirely convinced that the Celtics brass doesn't want to see some of those contracts just flat out expire.  I believe they will extend Ray Allen next summer, and while it'll be less than what he's at now, when you add what likely will be a new contract for Rondo, they'll be back up where they were this year again. 

Well, the Celtics have a ton of motivation to make it a sign and trade rather than straight out signing him, so this doesn't have to be particularly about Daniels being amenable to signing the LLE. I would think that if Daniels wasn't pretty much a sure thing, this wouldn't have taken so long, particularly Ainge would be looking for other opportunities instead of tying himself up for a month+. Or at the very least we would be hearing rumors of other teams trying to scoop Daniels from under us.

In all using Walker or Giddens to land Daniels has to be a last resort in my opinion. And if the LLE is indeed enough, it should be used rather than give up these two guys.

If the Celtics' brass wants some of these contracts to flatout expire, then the more reason to keep Walker and Giddens, since they're young/cheap labor with promise of good talent. At worst they bring us roster flexibility and cheap talent, and best they help us land someone of substance, or they actually turn up to be good contributors (and who knows what more is possible).

[Lucky17]

In fact, Sacramento did this exact same thing for us twice last season, so they may be okay with it again.

I think Sacto is a logical, if not probable, choice for the third team.

They only have 13 rostered players, 12 if Kenny Thomas never suits up for them again (is he even alive?), and could use an athletic 2 guard off the bench (assuming Garcia is their starting SF alongside Martin). They have plenty of cap space, and a history of helping us out in the past (e.g., the two deadline deals last year involving Cassell and POB).

Sending Tony plus $2.6 mil, plus a 2nd round pick to Sacto seems like enough to get things done. The only consideration against the deal is if Sacto wants to preserve cap space to be players later on at the deadline. But, that would assume a willingness to take on much more net salary, and I wonder if that's really something the Maloofs are willing to do.

[Spilling Green Dye]

While Daniels may have to sign for the LLE as a last restort, Danny might be trying to keep on somewhat good terms with Daniel's agent.  I'm sure the LLE is not desireable, and was used as a "sign of commitment," so I wouldn't be surprised if Danny is doing his end and making every effort to give Indiana more. 

Fringe players like Walker & Giddens (who is 25+ years old already?) will rarely have an impact on the team.  They're not in the short term planning, and as a previous poster commented, it is very easy to replace a decent wingman in this league. 

Also, isn't there a financial advantage for the Celtics to send Walker over since they won't have to pay his salary? I'm sure it's not a big salary, but dropping any salary when you're in luxury tax is a benefit.

Either way all of this will barely impact the team so long as Celts get Daniels.

[P2]

To the OP: RealGM takes their stuff from local papers, and this information is from the Herald and it has been posted yesterday already.

So: No update!!!!!!!

[Champzilla]

P2 don't worry about my posts, worry about your own.

[timepiece33]

Tony and cash should do it. As I've said before, if we trade Walker or Giddens, I'd rather just get Daniels for the LLE and just try to move Tony and Scal later on in the year for something of value.

Yeah, ultimately, Tony + $2.6 million should get it done.  That pays Tony's salary, and give Indiana an extra $100k just to cut Tony, if they're so inclined.

For the Celtics, it would make sense, as follows:

Salary if the team keeps Tony, signs Daniels:

$2.5 million salary for Tony
$2.5 million luxury tax payment for Tony
$1.99 million salary for Daniels
$1.99 million luxury tax payment for Daniels
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$8.98 million total payment

Salary if the team trades Tony, signs Daniels:

$2.6 million cash to Indiana
$2.75 million salary (estimated) for Daniels
$2.75 million luxury tax for Daniels
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$8.1 million total

So, the team saves $880,000 under than scenario.  Obviously, if Daniels signs for more, that figure goes down, and if he signs for less, it goes up.

Unfortunately, we sign a player at the minimum to replace his roster spot ... we go up by about $700k.   Ultimately, I believe the dollar figure that it will take Tony Allen is about $1.8MM.   As a minimum contract player, he's pretty reasonable for Memphis.   

[Drucci]

Uh... I was excited when I saw the thread's title, thinking "Yeah! Finally Daniels has signed with the Celtics!" but there is no real update, just the same news that we've heard for the past 4 weeks.

[Reyquila]

Champzilla, you are just being yourself.

[guava_wrench]

Tony and cash should do it. As I've said before, if we trade Walker or Giddens, I'd rather just get Daniels for the LLE and just try to move Tony and Scal later on in the year for something of value.

Yeah, ultimately, Tony + $2.6 million should get it done.  That pays Tony's salary, and give Indiana an extra $100k just to cut Tony, if they're so inclined.

For the Celtics, it would make sense, as follows:

Salary if the team keeps Tony, signs Daniels:

$2.5 million salary for Tony
$2.5 million luxury tax payment for Tony
$1.99 million salary for Daniels
$1.99 million luxury tax payment for Daniels
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$8.98 million total payment

Salary if the team trades Tony, signs Daniels:

$2.6 million cash to Indiana
$2.75 million salary (estimated) for Daniels
$2.75 million luxury tax for Daniels
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$8.1 million total

So, the team saves $880,000 under than scenario.  Obviously, if Daniels signs for more, that figure goes down, and if he signs for less, it goes up.

A non $ plus would be

- We would have a backup wing for the following season

[Champzilla]

RH where do you get your slaray stats from? Do you have them saved on like an excel spread sheet.  It's amazing how fast you can bust them out.

[Roy Hobbs]

RH where do you get your slaray stats from? Do you have them saved on like an excel spread sheet.  It's amazing how fast you can bust them out.

Some are just committed to memory (Tony's salary, the amount of the bi-annual exception).  Most of them, though, I get from http://shamsports.com.

[Champzilla]

Thanks.

[Chris]

RH where do you get your slaray stats from? Do you have them saved on like an excel spread sheet.  It's amazing how fast you can bust them out.

Some are just committed to memory (Tony's salary, the amount of the bi-annual exception).  Most of them, though, I get from http://shamsports.com.

It's amazing how quickly one can memorize salaries of guys who always come up in trade discussions like Tony and Scal, as well as Ray and Rondo (not to mention Rondo's cap hold next year). 

Even guys on other teams like Nocioni, Amare, and others stick as well.