Poll: Ray Allen's future NBA income

[JSD]

If the question is how much will Ray Allen make next season then I just dont know. But, if the question is how much will Boston pay him next year then my answer is zero. I hope I am wrong because Ray is one of the few players that I really like. I mean, the guy is a class act all the way and just happens to have the sweetest stroke in the game.

The thing is though, he has an almost 20 million dollar expiring contract. Next year is one of the biggest free agent classes ever, headed by Lebron. If you dont think that every GM in the league would love to have Lebron, or even a decent chance of getting him with D Wade or Bosh as consolation prizes then think again.

If it's one thing that Danny Ainge understands it's that basketball is a business. It's my opinion that Ainge will trade Ray at midseason and come out smelling like a Rose. If Big Al can be traded so can Ray. Possibly to Detroit for say Rip and ...? Anyway, Ray is a class act and deserves in the 7-9 million range, if that was a choice.

I understand your point: team's are looking to shed salary for the 2010 class making Allen's expiring more valuable. But the Celtics need cap relief too. Especially if they want to extend Rondo.

[Roy Hobbs]

If the question is how much will Ray Allen make next season then I just dont know. But, if the question is how much will Boston pay him next year then my answer is zero. I hope I am wrong because Ray is one of the few players that I really like. I mean, the guy is a class act all the way and just happens to have the sweetest stroke in the game.

The thing is though, he has an almost 20 million dollar expiring contract. Next year is one of the biggest free agent classes ever, headed by Lebron. If you dont think that every GM in the league would love to have Lebron, or even a decent chance of getting him with D Wade or Bosh as consolation prizes then think again.

If it's one thing that Danny Ainge understands it's that basketball is a business. It's my opinion that Ainge will trade Ray at midseason and come out smelling like a Rose. If Big Al can be traded so can Ray. Possibly to Detroit for say Rip and ...? Anyway, Ray is a class act and deserves in the 7-9 million range, if that was a choice.

Who do you see him acquiring in trade, that is better than Ray Allen?

[Change]

If the question is how much will Ray Allen make next season then I just dont know. But, if the question is how much will Boston pay him next year then my answer is zero. I hope I am wrong because Ray is one of the few players that I really like. I mean, the guy is a class act all the way and just happens to have the sweetest stroke in the game.

The thing is though, he has an almost 20 million dollar expiring contract. Next year is one of the biggest free agent classes ever, headed by Lebron. If you dont think that every GM in the league would love to have Lebron, or even a decent chance of getting him with D Wade or Bosh as consolation prizes then think again.

If it's one thing that Danny Ainge understands it's that basketball is a business. It's my opinion that Ainge will trade Ray at midseason and come out smelling like a Rose. If Big Al can be traded so can Ray. Possibly to Detroit for say Rip and ...? Anyway, Ray is a class act and deserves in the 7-9 million range, if that was a choice.

Who do you see him acquiring in trade, that is better than Ray Allen?

Its a myth Rip being better than Ray. Ray & Rip have identical numbers in the past 2 season. The difference is Rip is the # 1 option in Detroit, and Ray is option # 3 in Boston. That's efficiency! Either Rip is overpaid next year, or Ray is underpaid.

Ray range in 2010 is between $9-12 million

[JSD]

If the question is how much will Ray Allen make next season then I just dont know. But, if the question is how much will Boston pay him next year then my answer is zero. I hope I am wrong because Ray is one of the few players that I really like. I mean, the guy is a class act all the way and just happens to have the sweetest stroke in the game.

The thing is though, he has an almost 20 million dollar expiring contract. Next year is one of the biggest free agent classes ever, headed by Lebron. If you dont think that every GM in the league would love to have Lebron, or even a decent chance of getting him with D Wade or Bosh as consolation prizes then think again.

If it's one thing that Danny Ainge understands it's that basketball is a business. It's my opinion that Ainge will trade Ray at midseason and come out smelling like a Rose. If Big Al can be traded so can Ray. Possibly to Detroit for say Rip and ...? Anyway, Ray is a class act and deserves in the 7-9 million range, if that was a choice.

Who do you see him acquiring in trade, that is better than Ray Allen?

Its a myth Rip being better than Ray. Ray & Rip have identical numbers in the past 2 season. The difference is Rip is the # 1 option in Detroit, and Ray is option # 3 in Boston. That's efficiency! Either Rip is overpaid next year, or Ray is underpaid.

Right, and obviously we'd rather have an underpaid Ray. The idea of trading RA came to an end the moment Rasheed signed and Rondo didn't. This team needs that relief next off-season.

[the_Bird]

If the question is how much will Ray Allen make next season then I just dont know. But, if the question is how much will Boston pay him next year then my answer is zero. I hope I am wrong because Ray is one of the few players that I really like. I mean, the guy is a class act all the way and just happens to have the sweetest stroke in the game.

The thing is though, he has an almost 20 million dollar expiring contract. Next year is one of the biggest free agent classes ever, headed by Lebron. If you dont think that every GM in the league would love to have Lebron, or even a decent chance of getting him with D Wade or Bosh as consolation prizes then think again.

If it's one thing that Danny Ainge understands it's that basketball is a business. It's my opinion that Ainge will trade Ray at midseason and come out smelling like a Rose. If Big Al can be traded so can Ray. Possibly to Detroit for say Rip and ...? Anyway, Ray is a class act and deserves in the 7-9 million range, if that was a choice.

I understand your point: team's are looking to shed salary for the 2010 class making Allen's expiring more valuable. But the Celtics need cap relief too. Especially if they want to extend Rondo.

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Don't NEED cap space to extend Rondo, we've got his Bird rights, unless management decides it's not worthwhile to pay more luxury tax.  We're not going to be in a position to have cap space for quite some time, it'll be using the cap exemptions and making trades to change the roster around in the next few years.

As to Ray's value...  I have in my head a figure of $8M - $10M per, for about three years.  Danny will want to make that a two-year contract, but 3yrs at about $27M seems fair to both sides.  Teams will have a lot of money to spend next year, but given Ray's age he'd be a second-tier signing for sure.  

[JSD]

Don't NEED cap space to extend Rondo, we've got his Bird rights, unless management decides it's not worthwhile to pay more luxury tax.  We're not going to be in a position to have cap space for quite some time, it'll be using the cap exemptions and making trades to change the roster around in the next few years.

This is correct. My point is the Celtics ownership group will look to cut payroll and pay less LT heading into next season.

[JSD]

According to Shamsports.com, the C's are on the books for $53,513,122. If they trade RA for a matched salary that doesn't expire that puts them on the hook for $72,000,000,  extend Rondo (lets say $10/py) brings them to $80,000,000 without signing a single player and having 7 players on the roster. It doesn't make sense economically unless you can bring in Wade or James (which is impossible).

The C's will let RA expire and bring that payroll down.




http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/celtics.jsp

[the_Bird]

Don't NEED cap space to extend Rondo, we've got his Bird rights, unless management decides it's not worthwhile to pay more luxury tax.  We're not going to be in a position to have cap space for quite some time, it'll be using the cap exemptions and making trades to change the roster around in the next few years.

This is correct. My point is the Celtics ownership group will look to cut payroll and pay less LT heading into next season.

If this current team underperforms, then yes - I think they'll look to cut costs.

If this team is as good as I think we expect they CAN be, I'm not convinced of that.  If we get #18 (or real, real close), the wallet will stay open. 

[ManUp]

I think Ray deserves something in the range of 6-9 million, maybe even on a frontloaded salary.

[Drucci]

I would pay him $9-$11M per year with a two or three years contract.

[Celtics17]

I am not at all certain how the salary cap implications come into play and I love Ray's game. But, if he can be traded for two quality players to match his salary then I think it's a definite possibility. Time will tell.

[JSD]

Don't NEED cap space to extend Rondo, we've got his Bird rights, unless management decides it's not worthwhile to pay more luxury tax.  We're not going to be in a position to have cap space for quite some time, it'll be using the cap exemptions and making trades to change the roster around in the next few years.

This is correct. My point is the Celtics ownership group will look to cut payroll and pay less LT heading into next season.

If this current team underperforms, then yes - I think they'll look to cut costs.

If this team is as good as I think we expect they CAN be, I'm not convinced of that.  If we get #18 (or real, real close), the wallet will stay open. 

At the moment the C's are at or around their peak in terms of payroll. So sure, the wallet will stay open with maybe a slight to no increase and If they traded Ray Allen for a "matching non-expiring" then you can forget about resigning Rondo because there's no way this group is going to pay $20 million in LT (which I demonstrated above).

[Fred Roberts]

Obviously, it all depends how he looks and plays this season.  I voted that he'll receive the MLE money. There just isn't as much $ flying around as their used to be. He'll have to take a cheaper contract to stay here for the rest of the title contending stretch run (2 more years) or he'll be elsewhere. He will not get above 7 M per year here .... and I could see it being less than that. Paying Rondo will be FAR more important to the state of the Celts.

[paintitgreen]

I think he could get 2 years, $20 million, but I think a 3 or 4 year deal would bring him down closer to $8 mil a year (3-$25 or 4-$30). I think, on a championship caliber team, he's a starter for 2-3 more seasons and a sixth man after that. And given his conditioning, healthy lifestyle, and picture perfect shooting form, I think he'll be a very good sixth man and will be capable of continuing to close out games for 5 more years from now, if he chooses to play that long. I'd try to give him the 4 and $30, personally, at a straight $7.5 mil a year; in 3 years, if we want to go in another direction, he'll still be a valuable commodity at that price and we could get some value for him.

[Mr October]

$18-20 over 2 to coincide with KG's end date. During those 2 years Ray will be 35 and 36 years old - yet still a very dangerous shooter, who takes care of his body.