Salary implications this year and next.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

[Chris]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

Good point.  I really hope this gets done soon, just so we can know where this team is going next.

[Jeff]

good stuff

I think that Rondo and Ray will likely be extended this year or next summer, which locks in some higher costs

I still wouldn't mind trading our expiring deals (Tony, Scal) and whatever young player falls on the depth chart (Walker, Giddens) in exchange for a player that a cost-cutting team is looking to move (Nocioni keeps popping up in my head)

bottom line: we won't be free agent players (aside from the exceptions) for a while, but we can still make moves to extend the window as long as possible

besides, by the time we see the Big 3 fade away into the sunset, we'll be looking at a new CBA and perhaps a whole new playing field

[jdpapa3]

It cost them millions in terms of LT but I'm sure they still had a positive on their bottom line. That said, I'm thanking my lucky stars for this ownership group.

I don't know about this. Those corporate suites didn't do very well, and losing out on the ECF's and Finals made a serious dent into those numbers. I think in the NBA you hope to break even, but teams lately are lucky to take small losses. Using that NBA credit line didn't get nearly enough press. I really wish that the media had pryed into that one a bit more.

Salaries are going to come down after the next CBA. I can see what Simmons is saying here: we could be in for an ugly lockout.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

Good point.  I really hope this gets done soon, just so we can know where this team is going next.

The way I see it playing out next year is that except for a major trade happening, our team will pretty much be the same as this year.

Scal will be resigned, 1 year vet. min or 2 two year 2million per.

TA is gone somehow.

Walker and Giddens' options picked up.

House is tricky, but i think he'll get something in the 3 million range, maybe 2 years?

Shelden, who knows...

Hudson?

Portion of the MLE for Daniels (I don't think the Celts will play the waiting game next year with the mess FA is going to be).

Evaluate our needs to see what we can offer around with what's left.

Sign our rookies.

[nickagneta]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

[jdpapa3]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

Likely would be a player option, but they tried to do a sign and trade so that he would be here longer. The LLE is not enough money for him to sign a multi-year deal.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

[jdpapa3]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I think it's an under 5% chance that he is back with us at LLE money next year.

[nickagneta]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey.

How? I just don't see that as he is much younger than Posey, has no championship experience to fall back on and will probably never be in the same demand as Posey. He isn't nearly the talent Posey is. How is his situation going to be similar.

Also, because we are use the LLE that means we don't get one next year. I doubt the Celtics allow him the opportunity to walk this year while not having the LLE next year to use to replace him. For that they just may as well throw him a vet minimum contract as the difference in Daniels pocket is just not that much.

To me its irrelevant. If he's here he's here 2 years. I'm confident that's the way Danny has arranged it. Besides, if he didn't, big deal, it's not like we have cap room next year or are going to have any more options of replacing him other than the MLE and vet mins and trades.

[nickagneta]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I think it's an under 5% chance that he is back with us at LLE money next year.

I think you are both grossly over evaluating his open market value. It's just not there for much more than what he would get here at $1.99 million per.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I think it's an under 5% chance that he is back with us at LLE money next year.

I think you are both grossly over evaluating his open market value. It's just not there for much more than what he would get here at $1.99 million per.

Considering that Ainge was trying to sign and trade him in order to give him MORE money and years says to me that you're underestimating how much Daniels is worth in the open market.

[nickagneta]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I think it's an under 5% chance that he is back with us at LLE money next year.

I think you are both grossly over evaluating his open market value. It's just not there for much more than what he would get here at $1.99 million per.

Considering that Ainge was trying to sign and trade him in order to give him MORE money and years says to me that you're underestimating how much Daniels is worth in the open market.

No it says that Danny was trying like hell to get rid of someone on this team and wanted to lock him up longer than 2 years. Is $500000 more per year for maybe a three year deal really all that different in value? I don't think so. It's not like he was trying to sign him for 5 years and $30 million.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey. We'll have to use the MLE to keep him next year, and that should be quite relevant to your interest as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I think it's an under 5% chance that he is back with us at LLE money next year.

I think you are both grossly over evaluating his open market value. It's just not there for much more than what he would get here at $1.99 million per.

Considering that Ainge was trying to sign and trade him in order to give him MORE money and years says to me that you're underestimating how much Daniels is worth in the open market.

No it says that Danny was trying like hell to get rid of someone on this team and wanted to lock him up longer than 2 years. Is $500000 more per year for maybe a three year deal really all that different in value? I don't think so. It's not like he was trying to sign him for 5 years and $30 million.

The proposed trades we've been hearing all summer was of TA + Pruitt + Walker/Giddens. That's hardly $500,000 more, especially when you consider the possibility of year to year raises.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think you shouldn't assume that Daniels will sign for two years at the LLE. At most, a player option, but he will play this year and try to get paid next year... depending on how he plays this year, he'll probably take the bulk of the MLE next year.

I assumed he's signing for two years. Whether the second year is his option or the teams is irrelevant to me. I doubt the team would go through the trouble of trying to do a sign and trade to get him more money and years and then not give him two years. The logic there just makes no sense to me.

The option year should be very relevant, particularly if you're trying to analyze how next year's offseason is going to play out. It's not about the team not offering a second year, it's about Daniels wanting to sign a 2 million contract per for two years, which his highly unlikely. He'll have a player option just in case he gets injured or something, but his situation will be quite similar to that of James Posey.

How? I just don't see that as he is much younger than Posey, has no championship experience to fall back on and will probably never be in the same demand as Posey. He isn't nearly the talent Posey is. How is his situation going to be similar.

Also, because we are use the LLE that means we don't get one next year. I doubt the Celtics allow him the opportunity to walk this year while not having the LLE next year to use to replace him. For that they just may as well throw him a vet minimum contract as the difference in Daniels pocket is just not that much.

To me its irrelevant. If he's here he's here 2 years. I'm confident that's the way Danny has arranged it. Besides, if he didn't, big deal, it's not like we have cap room next year or are going to have any more options of replacing him other than the MLE and vet mins and trades.

Let's see. More efficient scorer. Can play 3 positions. Taking a pay cut to play with the Celtics this year. In playing about 4 minutes per game less for his career, he's scored more per game than Posey. He's arguably coming off his best season, scoring almost 14 points per game in 31 minutes of play.

Yes, Posey has skills that Daniels doesn't have, like 3point shooting, and a much better defender (we'll see how Posey's legs keep holding up). Just the same, Daniels is a much better ball handler and slasher.

So let's not sell Daniels short, he's been making good money since entering the league. And him being younger than Posey is not to be looked at as a negative.

The reason I brought up Posey was because he took less money to play with us one year with a player option, and in order to keep him the next we needed to use the MLE to do it. Daniels will be the similar in that regard. I could've used House as an example just as well, but Daniel's value is closer to that of Posey.