CB Draft '09 Mock Press Conference: Atlantic Divison

[indeedproceed]

Well now I will.

Haha touche.  I mean sure, the shot clock expired but he still made the shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fiZjER5E68

I get this weird feeling that there was this other winger for the spurs last year who had a habit of making big shots. I wish I had him on my team.

[Rondo2287]

Hey IP he may have made big shots, but hes not Dominant   JKJKJK

[nickagneta]

Well now I will.

Haha touche.  I mean sure, the shot clock expired but he still made the shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fiZjER5E68

I get this weird feeling that there was this other winger for the spurs last year who had a habit of making big shots. I wish I had him on my team.

Actually if I remember right I had to talk you into keeping him on your team while giving up someone else.

[indeedproceed]

haha yeah nick you talked yourself right into Travis Outlaw..and now since we've both traded him, lets bash the crap out of him.

[nickagneta]

haha yeah nick you talked yourself right into Travis Outlaw..and now since we've both traded him, lets bash the crap out of him.

I agree. Outlaw sucked!!!

[Rondo2287]

any concerns about my team that I missed while I was away? I tried to read through the thread but it was alot of SG talk and since I dont have a dominant one I just skimmed it   Im just messing around Nick, its a decent point you certainly found a pattern.  Im just not sure that SG's are the biggest piece to the puzzle though, but you certainly found a good pattern

[KCattheStripe]

FWIW though from Merian-Webster Dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dominant

Main Entry:
    1dom·i·nant Listen to the pronunciation of 1dominant
Pronunciation:
    \-nənt\
Function:
    adjective
Etymology:
    Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin dominant-, dominans, present participle of dominari
Date:
    circa 1532

1 a: commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others <the dominant culture> b: very important, powerful, or successful <a dominant theme> <a dominant industry>

Notice that there are 2 meanings to the main definitive use of the word with the second being: "very important, powerful, or successful" which does not limit the use of the word down to only one particular object within a group. There can be more than one dominant anything.

So you were arguing semantics.

Yeah, but as soon as you say something like MJ "changed the game" to where you need a dominant SG, to me that sounds like you're saying that you need a first definition SG. Because to me, when you look back before MJ, you need a dominant (second def.) Frountcourt player to win the championship. And after MJ, I still see a dominant frouncourt player as more important. After MJ retired the first time, Hakeem's Rockets won. And the second time, Duncan and Robinson. But anyway dawgs (heh, I made a funny) TP for the convo.

[indeedproceed]

I have one. Ron Artest.

We've talked about this before, but never really in depth. I think Ron Artest can succeed with teh Lakers next year because Kobe will dominate the ball. Kobe can do that because he's one of the most unguardable players in the NBA from the triple threat position. He can score, pass, or drive from the 3pt line in, and because of that the other team has to respect both his scoring ability and his passing ability..aka they have to pay lots and lots of attention to him.

Now Artest showed something with the Rockets...he showed he would be an offense killer only SOME of the time, as opposed to every game.

My question to you: Is dumping the ball off from Andre Miller pretty much your plan? Miller can't shoot, so he's either going to drive and kick or he's going to pass. Garcia can't (or doesn't) pass, so he's either going to drive or shoot. Pretty much if you want to get the ball to Garnett you're going to have to go through Artest more than a little.

So my question is: How do you keep him from being the player he has been his entire life? He has always, ALWAYS been a "get mine" offensive player, and when he sees a shot he likes for whatever reason, what his coaches, teammates, or FG% have to say about it has never mattered.

How do you stop Artest from killing you one out of every 5 games?

[nickagneta]

So just one GM's view of the predicted order of the East and why:

1.) Toronto - defense and experience combined with enough youth and offense to take the title

2.) Boston - size, experience and talent 9 deep. If Jeffries can ever harness his talent and be what he always should have been, they could win the division

3.) Philadelphia - some are going to say I'm nuts for having them down this far but Bynum has to prove to me that he can not only make it through an entire season but that he can justify getting paid the money he does. Also, I worry that Davis may be taking a big step back and even if he doesn't he needs to be a facilitator not a producer like he prefers to be.

4.) New Jersey - they probably finish 3rd if they were in either of the other divisions in this conference. No fear though as the Nets should still probably make the playoffs as they play in the East's toughest division.

5.) New York - hard to put a team who's GM doesn't even try to make them better higher than last. The team was thrown together with little sense and the parts don't fit. A bad team that never had the chance to get better do to an absentee GM.

[indeedproceed]

I have one. Ron Artest.

We've talked about this before, but never really in depth. I think Ron Artest can succeed with teh Lakers next year because Kobe will dominate the ball. Kobe can do that because he's one of the most unguardable players in the NBA from the triple threat position. He can score, pass, or drive from the 3pt line in, and because of that the other team has to respect both his scoring ability and his passing ability..aka they have to pay lots and lots of attention to him.

Now Artest showed something with the Rockets...he showed he would be an offense killer only SOME of the time, as opposed to every game.

My question to you: Is dumping the ball off from Andre Miller pretty much your plan? Miller can't shoot, so he's either going to drive and kick or he's going to pass. Garcia can't (or doesn't) pass, so he's either going to drive or shoot. Pretty much if you want to get the ball to Garnett you're going to have to go through Artest more than a little.

So my question is: How do you keep him from being the player he has been his entire life? He has always, ALWAYS been a "get mine" offensive player, and when he sees a shot he likes for whatever reason, what his coaches, teammates, or FG% have to say about it has never mattered.

How do you stop Artest from killing you one out of every 5 games?

Oh come on you signed off? I worked hard on that!

[nickagneta]

I have one. Ron Artest.

We've talked about this before, but never really in depth. I think Ron Artest can succeed with teh Lakers next year because Kobe will dominate the ball. Kobe can do that because he's one of the most unguardable players in the NBA from the triple threat position. He can score, pass, or drive from the 3pt line in, and because of that the other team has to respect both his scoring ability and his passing ability..aka they have to pay lots and lots of attention to him.

Now Artest showed something with the Rockets...he showed he would be an offense killer only SOME of the time, as opposed to every game.

My question to you: Is dumping the ball off from Andre Miller pretty much your plan? Miller can't shoot, so he's either going to drive and kick or he's going to pass. Garcia can't (or doesn't) pass, so he's either going to drive or shoot. Pretty much if you want to get the ball to Garnett you're going to have to go through Artest more than a little.

So my question is: How do you keep him from being the player he has been his entire life? He has always, ALWAYS been a "get mine" offensive player, and when he sees a shot he likes for whatever reason, what his coaches, teammates, or FG% have to say about it has never mattered.

How do you stop Artest from killing you one out of every 5 games?

How about high post pick and pops between KG and Miller. KG is not a post player and is deadly late in games from 20 feet in. KG can get the ball on a pick and pop and good luck guarding his outside shot. A 7'1" guy shooting deadly from outside, Good luck trying to stop that.

And, no Artest needed.

[indeedproceed]

So just one GM's view of the predicted order of the East and why:

1.) Toronto - defense and experience combined with enough youth and offense to take the title

2.) Boston - size, experience and talent 9 deep. If Jeffries can ever harness his talent and be what he always should have been, they could win the division

3.) Philadelphia - some are going to say I'm nuts for having them down this far but Bynum has to prove to me that he can not only make it through an entire season but that he can justify getting paid the money he does. Also, I worry that Davis may be taking a big step back and even if he doesn't he needs to be a facilitator not a producer like he prefers to be.

4.) New Jersey - they probably finish 3rd if they were in either of the other divisions in this conference. No fear though as the Nets should still probably make the playoffs as they play in the East's toughest division.

5.) New York - hard to put a team who's GM doesn't even try to make them better higher than last. The team was thrown together with little sense and the parts don't fit. A bad team that never had the chance to get better do to an absentee GM.

I can get on board with that. I think we can all agree the Atlantic is sending 3 playoff teams out this year.

[indeedproceed]

I have one. Ron Artest.

We've talked about this before, but never really in depth. I think Ron Artest can succeed with teh Lakers next year because Kobe will dominate the ball. Kobe can do that because he's one of the most unguardable players in the NBA from the triple threat position. He can score, pass, or drive from the 3pt line in, and because of that the other team has to respect both his scoring ability and his passing ability..aka they have to pay lots and lots of attention to him.

Now Artest showed something with the Rockets...he showed he would be an offense killer only SOME of the time, as opposed to every game.

My question to you: Is dumping the ball off from Andre Miller pretty much your plan? Miller can't shoot, so he's either going to drive and kick or he's going to pass. Garcia can't (or doesn't) pass, so he's either going to drive or shoot. Pretty much if you want to get the ball to Garnett you're going to have to go through Artest more than a little.

So my question is: How do you keep him from being the player he has been his entire life? He has always, ALWAYS been a "get mine" offensive player, and when he sees a shot he likes for whatever reason, what his coaches, teammates, or FG% have to say about it has never mattered.

How do you stop Artest from killing you one out of every 5 games?

How about high post pick and pops between KG and Miller. KG is not a post player and is deadly late in games from 20 feet in. KG can get the ball on a pick and pop and good luck guarding his outside shot. A 7'1" guy shooting deadly from outside, Good luck trying to stop that.

And, no Artest needed.

SO you think if you freeze out Ron Artest from the offense he's just going to be a mature adult and handle it?

Also, teams will do something about the pick and pop after a few times. You need other options. Artest will touch the ball, a lot.

[nickagneta]

I have one. Ron Artest.

We've talked about this before, but never really in depth. I think Ron Artest can succeed with teh Lakers next year because Kobe will dominate the ball. Kobe can do that because he's one of the most unguardable players in the NBA from the triple threat position. He can score, pass, or drive from the 3pt line in, and because of that the other team has to respect both his scoring ability and his passing ability..aka they have to pay lots and lots of attention to him.

Now Artest showed something with the Rockets...he showed he would be an offense killer only SOME of the time, as opposed to every game.

My question to you: Is dumping the ball off from Andre Miller pretty much your plan? Miller can't shoot, so he's either going to drive and kick or he's going to pass. Garcia can't (or doesn't) pass, so he's either going to drive or shoot. Pretty much if you want to get the ball to Garnett you're going to have to go through Artest more than a little.

So my question is: How do you keep him from being the player he has been his entire life? He has always, ALWAYS been a "get mine" offensive player, and when he sees a shot he likes for whatever reason, what his coaches, teammates, or FG% have to say about it has never mattered.

How do you stop Artest from killing you one out of every 5 games?

How about high post pick and pops between KG and Miller. KG is not a post player and is deadly late in games from 20 feet in. KG can get the ball on a pick and pop and good luck guarding his outside shot. A 7'1" guy shooting deadly from outside, Good luck trying to stop that.

And, no Artest needed.

SO you think if you freeze out Ron Artest from the offense he's just going to be a mature adult and handle it?

Also, teams will do something about the pick and pop after a few times. You need other options. Artest will touch the ball, a lot.

Oh he will but I think the bread and butter of that team and the go to play that they do late in the game will be either a high post pick and pop or a 1-4 top of the key switch with KG getting a PG guarding him 15 feet from the basket. In this offensive set Garcia and Camby can go to the three point lines on the wings or baseline and Artest can post up with Camby and KG pulling the bigs out of the paint for Artest to get in closer where he is more successful from 2.

[wdleehi]

So just one GM's view of the predicted order of the East and why:

1.) Toronto - defense and experience combined with enough youth and offense to take the title

2.) Boston - size, experience and talent 9 deep. If Jeffries can ever harness his talent and be what he always should have been, they could win the division

3.) Philadelphia - some are going to say I'm nuts for having them down this far but Bynum has to prove to me that he can not only make it through an entire season but that he can justify getting paid the money he does. Also, I worry that Davis may be taking a big step back and even if he doesn't he needs to be a facilitator not a producer like he prefers to be.

4.) New Jersey - they probably finish 3rd if they were in either of the other divisions in this conference. No fear though as the Nets should still probably make the playoffs as they play in the East's toughest division.

5.) New York - hard to put a team who's GM doesn't even try to make them better higher than last. The team was thrown together with little sense and the parts don't fit. A bad team that never had the chance to get better do to an absentee GM.

How does NY parts not fit?  


They have a top 3 PG.  A SG that is a top scorer.  A large SF that fits nicely as a third or 4th scorer.  A large defensive PF that can play C.  And of course, Perk.  


Strong defensive bench.  (that includes two players that are likely starters this year in Maxiell and Sefolosha)  

So, how does this team not fit?  Good defenders.  Two 20 point scorers, a 13 point scorer, we saw what Perk can do in the low post in the playoffs (10 points is not out of the question), Kristic, another double digit scorer.   (not to mention what Maxiell could be doing as a starter in the real NBA)


As for the lack of trades, what does that matter?  He made no trades last year (and did defend his team) and was one of the front runners in the East (along with NJ and Orlando)