Odom returning to the Lakers - C's need to sign Baby

[celticinorlando]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

bynum is made of glass...his knees punk him every season

[BudweiserCeltic]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

bynum is made of glass...his knees punk him every season

It's not his fault that Kobe hates playing with him so he tries to injure him any chance he gets.

But yeah, Perk > Bynum. And with Perk little by little improving his offensive game, the gap keeps widening.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I realize that BBD needs to come to grips with his conditioning, but to say that scal is better, and or deserves more minutes might be overstating things atleast a little.
Scal can not guard any decient 3, 4 or 5.
BBd worked his ass of trying to guard rashard Lewis, and did a better job, than I ever thought he would be able to.
Scal would have been flat out killed.
Then BBD guarded Dwight H, and did a [dang] good job, he can also guard, Shaq, one on one, which kills the cavs.
We will have a harder time guarding ig Z than Shaq, since Z can shoot and spread the floor.
If BBD gets in shape, he WILL suprise people.
I also think that this offseason has been a wakeup call for him.
conditioning has cost him millions of dollars, years of security, and made a joke of him.
I for one believe he will be hungrier than ever, no pun intended, well a little pun.
I think and hope he has seen the light and eats the competition alive, [dang] puns.
Anywayt, just had to whine about the whole Scal thing, the best use for scal, would be in a trade.
We need baby to guard the big post players, Perk is great, but shoulder?
RW is overrated, at guarding bigs, rebounding, and his IQ is not very high.
I still like this signing, I just see BBD and RW playing together, that is a solid bench.
We don't need him for 20 minutes a game, but we do need him for security, and matchups.

First, the people are basing their Scal ahead of BBD in a rotation off of what they saw AND the many statistics that roughly backup that decision.

Secondly, I have a hard time thinking anyone who watched that Orlando series thought that BBD did even a mediocre job on Rashard.  On the other hand, I thought Scal did a very serviceable job, except for the few drives Lewis had.  Please go back and watch those games again, BBD was getting killed.

RW's IQ is very high.  Most every coach and player he's played with has stated this. 

I do like BBD on the big centers, but I don't see anyone on LA who he at all can match up with.  Bynum, Odom, and Gasol would all kill him, unfortunately.  I don't think Scal could guard anyone of them either

[mgent]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

Eh, not really.  Baby is one of the few guys in the game strong enough to handle Bynum.  Unfortunately, Davis will usually get matched up againt Gasol or Odom, both of which will "punk" him way more than Bynum could.

Bynum is a bad matchup for BBD, he's very tall and long.

He's only 2-3 inches taller.  Length is a big issue with Davis, but I'd much rather have him not be long enough than not be strong enough.  He couldn't contain Bynum, but at least Bynum wouldn't be blowing right through him.  It doesn't really matter though because Perk will be handling Bynum most of the time anyway.

[mgent]

I realize that BBD needs to come to grips with his conditioning, but to say that scal is better, and or deserves more minutes might be overstating things atleast a little.
Scal can not guard any decient 3, 4 or 5.
BBd worked his ass of trying to guard rashard Lewis, and did a better job, than I ever thought he would be able to.
Scal would have been flat out killed.
Then BBD guarded Dwight H, and did a [dang] good job, he can also guard, Shaq, one on one, which kills the cavs.
We will have a harder time guarding ig Z than Shaq, since Z can shoot and spread the floor.
If BBD gets in shape, he WILL suprise people.
I also think that this offseason has been a wakeup call for him.
conditioning has cost him millions of dollars, years of security, and made a joke of him.
I for one believe he will be hungrier than ever, no pun intended, well a little pun.
I think and hope he has seen the light and eats the competition alive, [dang] puns.
Anywayt, just had to whine about the whole Scal thing, the best use for scal, would be in a trade.
We need baby to guard the big post players, Perk is great, but shoulder?
RW is overrated, at guarding bigs, rebounding, and his IQ is not very high.
I still like this signing, I just see BBD and RW playing together, that is a solid bench.
We don't need him for 20 minutes a game, but we do need him for security, and matchups.

First, the people are basing their Scal ahead of BBD in a rotation off of what they saw AND the many statistics that roughly backup that decision.

Secondly, I have a hard time thinking anyone who watched that Orlando series thought that BBD did even a mediocre job on Rashard.  On the other hand, I thought Scal did a very serviceable job, except for the few drives Lewis had.  Please go back and watch those games again, BBD was getting killed.

RW's IQ is very high.  Most every coach and player he's played with has stated this. 

I do like BBD on the big centers, but I don't see anyone on LA who he at all can match up with.  Bynum, Odom, and Gasol would all kill him, unfortunately.  I don't think Scal could guard anyone of them either

Scal has more experience, more speed, and the 3 point shot.  Scal should be handling the quick PFs and the strong SFs and Baby should be handling the strong PFs and the small Centers.
I agree, Lewis was killing Davis, and Scal ended up doing a decent job.  Plus you gotta figure Scal would be the 4th man behind Rasheed anyway.
At this point Baby is more valuable to us, but I wouldn't say he's much better than Scal at all.

[Fafnir]

I realize that BBD needs to come to grips with his conditioning, but to say that scal is better, and or deserves more minutes might be overstating things atleast a little.
Scal can not guard any decient 3, 4 or 5.
BBd worked his ass of trying to guard rashard Lewis, and did a better job, than I ever thought he would be able to.
Scal would have been flat out killed.
Then BBD guarded Dwight H, and did a [dang] good job, he can also guard, Shaq, one on one, which kills the cavs.
We will have a harder time guarding ig Z than Shaq, since Z can shoot and spread the floor.
If BBD gets in shape, he WILL suprise people.
I also think that this offseason has been a wakeup call for him.
conditioning has cost him millions of dollars, years of security, and made a joke of him.
I for one believe he will be hungrier than ever, no pun intended, well a little pun.
I think and hope he has seen the light and eats the competition alive, [dang] puns.
Anywayt, just had to whine about the whole Scal thing, the best use for scal, would be in a trade.
We need baby to guard the big post players, Perk is great, but shoulder?
RW is overrated, at guarding bigs, rebounding, and his IQ is not very high.
I still like this signing, I just see BBD and RW playing together, that is a solid bench.
We don't need him for 20 minutes a game, but we do need him for security, and matchups.

First, the people are basing their Scal ahead of BBD in a rotation off of what they saw AND the many statistics that roughly backup that decision.

Secondly, I have a hard time thinking anyone who watched that Orlando series thought that BBD did even a mediocre job on Rashard.  On the other hand, I thought Scal did a very serviceable job, except for the few drives Lewis had.  Please go back and watch those games again, BBD was getting killed.

RW's IQ is very high.  Most every coach and player he's played with has stated this. 

I do like BBD on the big centers, but I don't see anyone on LA who he at all can match up with.  Bynum, Odom, and Gasol would all kill him, unfortunately.  I don't think Scal could guard anyone of them either

Scal has more experience, more speed, and the 3 point shot.  Scal should be handling the quick PFs and the strong SFs and Baby should be handling the strong PFs and the small Centers.
I agree, Lewis was killing Davis, and Scal ended up doing a decent job.  Plus you gotta figure Scal would be the 4th man behind Rasheed anyway.
At this point Baby is more valuable to us, but I wouldn't say he's much better than Scal at all.

Rashard killed both Baby and Scal for the most part. We really need KG to guard him.

[Surferdad]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

Eh, not really.  Baby is one of the few guys in the game strong enough to handle Bynum.  Unfortunately, Davis will usually get matched up againt Gasol or Odom, both of which will "punk" him way more than Bynum could.

Bynum is a bad matchup for BBD, he's very tall and long.

He's only 2-3 inches taller.  Length is a big issue with Davis, but I'd much rather have him not be long enough than not be strong enough.  He couldn't contain Bynum, but at least Bynum wouldn't be blowing right through him.  It doesn't really matter though because Perk will be handling Bynum most of the time anyway.

Bynum has a good 5 inches on BBD, a legit 7-footer vs. 6'7" (realistically) for Baby who also has short arms (i.e. he's not "long").  What he can do though is use his strength on Bynum as he does on D. Howard, like you said.

[hpantazo]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

Eh, not really.  Baby is one of the few guys in the game strong enough to handle Bynum.  Unfortunately, Davis will usually get matched up againt Gasol or Odom, both of which will "punk" him way more than Bynum could.

Bynum is a bad matchup for BBD, he's very tall and long.

He's only 2-3 inches taller.  Length is a big issue with Davis, but I'd much rather have him not be long enough than not be strong enough.  He couldn't contain Bynum, but at least Bynum wouldn't be blowing right through him.  It doesn't really matter though because Perk will be handling Bynum most of the time anyway.

Bynum has a good 5 inches on BBD, a legit 7-footer vs. 6'7" (realistically) for Baby who also has short arms (i.e. he's not "long").  What he can do though is use his strength on Bynum as he does on D. Howard, like you said.

I agree, and that's the main reason we needed someone like sheed. How many times did Doc and Danny say last year that we need to get longer? Too many to count, and it's because we had to rely on big baby to guard guys like Bynum and big Z. Sure, Davis had some great moments, but he also had many bad moments out there too. I'm glad to move on to some legit big men who can play, like Sheed.

[mgent]

I realize that BBD needs to come to grips with his conditioning, but to say that scal is better, and or deserves more minutes might be overstating things atleast a little.
Scal can not guard any decient 3, 4 or 5.
BBd worked his ass of trying to guard rashard Lewis, and did a better job, than I ever thought he would be able to.
Scal would have been flat out killed.
Then BBD guarded Dwight H, and did a [dang] good job, he can also guard, Shaq, one on one, which kills the cavs.
We will have a harder time guarding ig Z than Shaq, since Z can shoot and spread the floor.
If BBD gets in shape, he WILL suprise people.
I also think that this offseason has been a wakeup call for him.
conditioning has cost him millions of dollars, years of security, and made a joke of him.
I for one believe he will be hungrier than ever, no pun intended, well a little pun.
I think and hope he has seen the light and eats the competition alive, [dang] puns.
Anywayt, just had to whine about the whole Scal thing, the best use for scal, would be in a trade.
We need baby to guard the big post players, Perk is great, but shoulder?
RW is overrated, at guarding bigs, rebounding, and his IQ is not very high.
I still like this signing, I just see BBD and RW playing together, that is a solid bench.
We don't need him for 20 minutes a game, but we do need him for security, and matchups.

First, the people are basing their Scal ahead of BBD in a rotation off of what they saw AND the many statistics that roughly backup that decision.

Secondly, I have a hard time thinking anyone who watched that Orlando series thought that BBD did even a mediocre job on Rashard.  On the other hand, I thought Scal did a very serviceable job, except for the few drives Lewis had.  Please go back and watch those games again, BBD was getting killed.

RW's IQ is very high.  Most every coach and player he's played with has stated this. 

I do like BBD on the big centers, but I don't see anyone on LA who he at all can match up with.  Bynum, Odom, and Gasol would all kill him, unfortunately.  I don't think Scal could guard anyone of them either

Scal has more experience, more speed, and the 3 point shot.  Scal should be handling the quick PFs and the strong SFs and Baby should be handling the strong PFs and the small Centers.
I agree, Lewis was killing Davis, and Scal ended up doing a decent job.  Plus you gotta figure Scal would be the 4th man behind Rasheed anyway.
At this point Baby is more valuable to us, but I wouldn't say he's much better than Scal at all.

Rashard killed both Baby and Scal for the most part. We really need KG to guard him.

Yeah, but he killed Baby more.
Hopefully this year we'll have KG and Rasheed.

[mgent]

Andrew Bynum will punk Big Baby Jesus so hard when they meet.

Eh, not really.  Baby is one of the few guys in the game strong enough to handle Bynum.  Unfortunately, Davis will usually get matched up againt Gasol or Odom, both of which will "punk" him way more than Bynum could.

Bynum is a bad matchup for BBD, he's very tall and long.

He's only 2-3 inches taller.  Length is a big issue with Davis, but I'd much rather have him not be long enough than not be strong enough.  He couldn't contain Bynum, but at least Bynum wouldn't be blowing right through him.  It doesn't really matter though because Perk will be handling Bynum most of the time anyway.

Bynum has a good 5 inches on BBD, a legit 7-footer vs. 6'7" (realistically) for Baby who also has short arms (i.e. he's not "long").  What he can do though is use his strength on Bynum as he does on D. Howard, like you said.

I thought Davis was 6'9"ish.  Bynum does have freakishly long arms though.

[dmopower]

Someone appears to have been confused by my post.
I think what I said was, BBD did a better job on RL than I ever thought he could have.
NOT BBD shut down, stopped, exploited, dominated, or even slowed him down.
What he did was work his ass off as best he could within the tools he has.
Even if BBD was in incredible shape he would have one hell of a time guarding this type of player.
I don't think BBD is better than RW I think they are somewhat interchangable as a 4 5 off of the bench.
I think if you played these players together off of our bench they could create serious match up problems.
Both shoot the mid ok, RW has more range, but you could run a pick and roll, or pick and pop with either player, and together they would dominate the boards, against other teams bench players, and they both have tools that make them handy for certain matchup advantages, depending who you are playing.
Who cares what they play, 4 or 5 they would switch depending on whos on the floor.
A very servicible bench frontcourt.
I hope this clears things up some.
Don.