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should I apply for a new job?
« on: July 28, 2009, 11:09:35 AM »

Offline cdif911

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ok, my work is undergoing a mass exodus (I'm a teacher) - I'm generally happy where I am, I have tenure, I get to coach 2 sports (though 1 is still in the air at present moment). I'm a little worried about building morale though, and I found a job at a similar district that pays slightly better (2-3 k per year). The commute is about the same.  I know a few people there and they seem to like it. I'm a little worried about retribution if I do apply for a job at another district.  So what would you do in my situation?
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 11:12:46 AM »

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If the 2-3 k is worth it to you, then go for it. If you're happy, stay.

Retribution is dumb, they have to know you're trying to do what's best for you. However, I don't work in education so I could be wrong. 
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 12:19:18 PM »

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maybe I should have posted this in ask Edgar =)
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 12:23:54 PM »

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tough one. If you don't like where you work, and you think moving will make you that much happier...go for it.

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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 12:27:22 PM »

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tough one. If you don't like where you work, and you think moving will make you that much happier...go for it.

thats the problem, I do like it now, I'm worried next year could be rough...on the other end it could be fine... I could easily wait around for another year and feel it out, there's always jobs in education if you look...

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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 12:32:43 PM »

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If teachers with tenure are somehow losing their job I think you should go. I wouldn't give that up very easily though. I wouldn't worry about retribution. You have tenure for one thing. Maybe if you can get the other job with tenure off the bat, which seems unlikely.

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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 12:35:11 PM »

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I'd wait til it gets bad if you enjoy it now.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 12:48:04 PM »

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If teachers with tenure are somehow losing their job I think you should go. I wouldn't give that up very easily though. I wouldn't worry about retribution. You have tenure for one thing. Maybe if you can get the other job with tenure off the bat, which seems unlikely.

you can sometimes negotiate 2/3 tenure, which means you get it after a year - but yeah I'm high enough up that I really can't lose my job from cuts.
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 12:59:48 PM »

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You likely won't face much retribution from a public school to public school transfer.  Is the extra 2-3k worth the hassle of moving and starting over?
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 01:26:18 PM »

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You likely won't face much retribution from a public school to public school transfer.  Is the extra 2-3k worth the hassle of moving and starting over?

the retribution would be if I don't get the job..
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 11:03:26 AM »

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You likely won't face much retribution from a public school to public school transfer.  Is the extra 2-3k worth the hassle of moving and starting over?

the retribution would be if I don't get the job..

OK, I am curious, why is building moral down, and why would you think there would be retribution for applying to another job that pays more money? 

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 11:32:25 AM »

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You likely won't face much retribution from a public school to public school transfer.  Is the extra 2-3k worth the hassle of moving and starting over?

the retribution would be if I don't get the job..

OK, I am curious, why is building moral down, and why would you think there would be retribution for applying to another job that pays more money? 

so first on morale, we went through a bad contract negotiation last year, not because of the town, but because our union which was dominated by older members negotiated a deal that benefited them a whole lot more than the younger members.  The younger members are not happy, but alot of them are staying b/c they can't find other jobs.  Some of our better teachers are leaving though, including our newly elected union president, for greener pastures.  2/3 of our administrative team has left.  So the balance of bringing in new people, adjusting to that, plus the animosity between the older and younger teachers isn't an ideal work environment.  I try to stay out of it, but I often get dragged in as an intermediary.

on the retribution side, while you can't be fired, there are ways to make your job less pleasant - less ideal classes, or a bad schedule are the main ways this happens. (you get the 35 kid study hall)  also extras like coaching can be pulled
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2009, 11:44:42 AM »

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I can't speak too much for Education, however, I am a Corporate Recruiter for a large Hospital.

Very frequently I meet with and coach candidates on transitioning employers. What I would definitely recommend is asking anyone you know at the other school what some of their struggles are. Too often I find with referrals that only a positive picture is painted by someone recommneding that peer look into a position at their employer. Understandably, people are excited about the prospect of a friend "joining their team", so they leave out the "dirty laundry."

You want to make sure you have a realistic job preview. After having this discussion, you may find that you would face similar frustrations in a new opportunity.

Also, don't discount the value of your own personal establishment. There is great intrinsic value in feeling like one of the "old souls" in an organization. The vulnerability of being "the new guy" can be a very difficult transition.

As far as the money is concerned, $2500 (the median of your possible pay increase range), factors out to approximately $145 monthly after taxes, hardly worth a drastic career transition. My advice would be to discount the $$ as a key factor in your decision.

Assess the prospect of a new opportunity as closely as you do your present position. Value the intrinsic rewards that come with experience with one employer, and best of luck!!  :) :)
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2009, 11:58:32 AM »

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I can't speak too much for Education, however, I am a Corporate Recruiter for a large Hospital.

Very frequently I meet with and coach candidates on transitioning employers. What I would definitely recommend is asking anyone you know at the other school what some of their struggles are. Too often I find with referrals that only a positive picture is painted by someone recommneding that peer look into a position at their employer. Understandably, people are excited about the prospect of a friend "joining their team", so they leave out the "dirty laundry."

You want to make sure you have a realistic job preview. After having this discussion, you may find that you would face similar frustrations in a new opportunity.

Also, don't discount the value of your own personal establishment. There is great intrinsic value in feeling like one of the "old souls" in an organization. The vulnerability of being "the new guy" can be a very difficult transition.

As far as the money is concerned, $2500 (the median of your possible pay increase range), factors out to approximately $145 monthly after taxes, hardly worth a drastic career transition. My advice would be to discount the $$ as a key factor in your decision.

Assess the prospect of a new opportunity as closely as you do your present position. Value the intrinsic rewards that come with experience with one employer, and best of luck!!  :) :)

good advice, good advice indeed... as of present time, I think I'm going to wait at least a year, and if a doomsday scenario comes into place, or an opportunity somewhere else thats just too good to pass up comes along, I'll think about transitioning
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Re: should I apply for a new job?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 12:02:21 PM »

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maybe I should have posted this in ask Edgar =)
I was waiing to see more  ;)
but i thnik youre acting properly in this one.
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