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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 11:15:40 PM »

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Try him in the bullpen.   Maybe not having to save energy to last 5-6 innings could help him.


He was a heck of a closer.  He could be a heck of a set-up man.

Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 11:30:42 PM »

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As a lifelong Braves fan, I can tell you for a fact that since John and Bobby got in control in Atlanta they almost never make a mistake when they let pitchers go.  In fact the only guy I can really think of that was a mistake to let go was Jason Schmidt.  The Braves let Smoltz walk for a reason and the reason quite simply is they knew he was done.  I mean why else would the Braves let a 20+ year staple of their franchise leave.  They knew it.  Smoltz just has nothing left.  I'm sure he will get a good start every once in awhile, but he just doesn't have it any more.

what does it do for your theory that they wanted him back, offered him a contract but got outbid?

What about when they let Glavine go and he had three straight years with an era under 3.80?

And everyone keeps saying he has nothing left but not backing it up by anything.  He has nothing left because he isnt locating his pitches?  that doesnt even make sense.  if you look at a box score, sure it looks like he has nothing, but his velocity is fine. 

did he have nothing left last year in his 6 starts when he had a 2.5 era before getting hurt.  how about hte year before when it was 3.11 or the year before when it was 3.5 or the year before when it was 3.0.

Maybe he is done, but given the fact that stuff doesnt just disappear, overnight, I am willing to bet it is mechanics/injury healing/ and rust rather then just being gone. 

I guess we'll see


Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 11:52:27 PM »

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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2009, 07:01:22 AM »

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As a lifelong Braves fan, I can tell you for a fact that since John and Bobby got in control in Atlanta they almost never make a mistake when they let pitchers go.  In fact the only guy I can really think of that was a mistake to let go was Jason Schmidt.  The Braves let Smoltz walk for a reason and the reason quite simply is they knew he was done.  I mean why else would the Braves let a 20+ year staple of their franchise leave.  They knew it.  Smoltz just has nothing left.  I'm sure he will get a good start every once in awhile, but he just doesn't have it any more.

what does it do for your theory that they wanted him back, offered him a contract but got outbid?

What about when they let Glavine go and he had three straight years with an era under 3.80?

And everyone keeps saying he has nothing left but not backing it up by anything.  He has nothing left because he isnt locating his pitches?  that doesnt even make sense.  if you look at a box score, sure it looks like he has nothing, but his velocity is fine. 

did he have nothing left last year in his 6 starts when he had a 2.5 era before getting hurt.  how about hte year before when it was 3.11 or the year before when it was 3.5 or the year before when it was 3.0.

Maybe he is done, but given the fact that stuff doesnt just disappear, overnight, I am willing to bet it is mechanics/injury healing/ and rust rather then just being gone. 

I guess we'll see


If they wanted to keep Smoltz that bad, they wouldn't have been outbid, same with Glavine (who was pushing hard for the extra year and left because the Mets offered it to him - the dollars were the same).

And Glavine's ERA's in NY were 4.52, 3.6, 3.52, 3.82, and 4.45 (his last five in atlanta were 2.96, 3.57, 3.40, 4.12, and 2.47).  He would pitch one awful start and one good start which is why his win percentage was well below his time in Atlanta. He was also only 37.

Smoltz is done.  He will get a good solid start every once in awhile, but he will then pitch two or three poor to awful starts. 

BTW, his arm probably can't take the bullpen.  It is why he moved back to being a starter.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 07:26:27 AM »

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Try him in the bullpen.   Maybe not having to save energy to last 5-6 innings could help him.


He was a heck of a closer.  He could be a heck of a set-up man.

He gives up a run an inning now.  The Sox have a good bullpen and I wouldn't want to remove one of those arms just to make room for Smoltz.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 10:22:39 PM »

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Not to drag this thread up on a nihgt that Smoltz wasnt very good, but I found this interesting:

Pitcher A - First 7 Games Started this season
36.2 IP 50 H 29 ER 5 BB 30 SO 6 HR

Pitcher B - First 7 Games Started this season
41.1 IP 52 H 29 ER 13 BB 49 SO 8 HR

Neither all that good, right?  Pitcher A is Smoltz.  Pitcher B is Lester.

I am not saying that Smoltz will be as good as Lester the rest of the way, but to think he will be better isnt that illogical.

Smoltz's LOB% and BABIP show that he is getting a bit unlucky.

he still can rebound

Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 10:31:36 PM »

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Not to drag this thread up on a nihgt that Smoltz wasnt very good, but I found this interesting:

Pitcher A - First 7 Games Started this season
36.2 IP 50 H 29 ER 5 BB 30 SO 6 HR

Pitcher B - First 7 Games Started this season
41.1 IP 52 H 29 ER 13 BB 49 SO 8 HR

Neither all that good, right?  Pitcher A is Smoltz.  Pitcher B is Lester.

I am not saying that Smoltz will be as good as Lester the rest of the way, but to think he will be better isnt that illogical.

Smoltz's LOB% and BABIP show that he is getting a bit unlucky.

he still can rebound

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It is hard to keep perspective on that.  I do hope he rebounds.  It would be pretty sweet to see him be himsrlf for the Sox.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2009, 11:38:50 PM »

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With Masterson gone, Smoltz in the pen makes more and more sense.  For now we go with Beckett, Lester, Wake (when he comes back), Penny, and Clay.  Come the playoffs, we can reevaluate. But with a pen spot opening up, Smoltz looks more and more likely to go back there, especially since we'll only need 4 starters in the playoffs.   

Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2009, 03:40:31 PM »

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With Masterson gone, Smoltz in the pen makes more and more sense.  For now we go with Beckett, Lester, Wake (when he comes back), Penny, and Clay.  Come the playoffs, we can reevaluate. But with a pen spot opening up, Smoltz looks more and more likely to go back there, especially since we'll only need 4 starters in the playoffs.  

Agreed, I'd prefer Smoltz in the pen with Clay starting, but one of them needs to go in there to replace Masterson as the long guy.
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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2009, 05:42:05 PM »

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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2009, 06:21:24 PM »

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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2009, 07:01:08 PM »

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If I were the Sox I would have at least tried him in the pen.  I guess they must think he's totally done if they've given up on him this much. 

Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2009, 07:50:50 PM »

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Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2009, 09:57:16 AM »

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Designate him for assignment and then replace him with some guy from a Japanese industrial league.  What else?

Re: What to do with Smoltz?
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2009, 01:47:16 PM »

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korean leagues are where it is at. Atlanta should sign him to a one day contract then release him. Seems to be their MO these days....