2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Rondo2287]

Second of all be honest, you know MIller is alot better than Bibby right now

No one is disputing Miller is better, But "alot better"   


               PTS       Steals    Assist's   Rebound
Miller-    16.3       1.3       6.5         4.5
Bibby -  14.9       1.2        5.          3.5

turnovers? JW...

I would say thats a significant upgrade.  Especially when you consider what the players roles were on their respective teams.  I think with the weapons in Toronto Miller will put up even better numbers and his career average for assists per game is 7th all time in NBA history.  

Finally.  When you look at the teams with those dominant shooting guards in our league.  I think the only one that is a contender is Portland.  So the thoughts that you need a dominant SG is kind of flawed when only one dominant team has one of those guys?

[Edgar]

Second of all be honest, you know MIller is alot better than Bibby right now

No one is disputing Miller is better, But "alot better"   


               PTS       Steals    Assist's   Rebound
Miller-    16.3       1.3       6.5         4.5
Bibby -  14.9       1.2        5.          3.5

turnovers? JW...

I would say thats a significant upgrade.  Especially when you consider what the players roles were on their respective teams.  I think with the weapons in Toronto Miller will put up even better numbers and his career average for assists per game is 7th all time in NBA history.  

Finally.  When you look at the teams with those dominant shooting guards in our league.  I think the only one that is a contender is Portland.  So the thoughts that you need a dominant SG is kind of flawed when only one dominant team has one of those guys?

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[Roy Hobbs]

Second of all be honest, you know MIller is alot better than Bibby right now

No one is disputing Miller is better, But "alot better"   


               PTS       Steals    Assist's   Rebound
Miller-    16.3       1.3       6.5         4.5
Bibby -  14.9       1.2        5.          3.5

turnovers? JW...

I would say thats a significant upgrade.  Especially when you consider what the players roles were on their respective teams.  I think with the weapons in Toronto Miller will put up even better numbers and his career average for assists per game is 7th all time in NBA history.  

Finally.  When you look at the teams with those dominant shooting guards in our league.  I think the only one that is a contender is Portland.  So the thoughts that you need a dominant SG is kind of flawed when only one dominant team has one of those guys?

Questions:  What's the farthest Miller has taken a team in the playoffs?  How many 50+ win teams has he been on?  Now, ask the same questions about Bibby.

[Rondo2287]

I think back when he was with the Kings Bibby took a playoff team pretty far, I would say that the past two years he was out in the first round and this year his team brought him to the second round

[Roy Hobbs]

I think back when he was with the Kings Miller has took a playoff team pretty far, I would say that the past two years he was out in the first round and this year his team brought him to the second round

Look at where the Hawks were before they got Bibby.  Exact same team (or even better, since they had Childress), but they were in the lottery.  You add Bibby, and they're taking the world champion Celtics to seven games, and then advancing to the second round this year.  That's not coincidence.

[Rondo2287]

I agree, but you also Add Horford, a more mature Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.  And lets not rewrite history, Joe Johnson was the one who took that series to 7 games

[indeedproceed]

I agree, but you also Add Horford, a more mature Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.  And lets not rewrite history, Joe Johnson was the one who took that series to 7 games

Bibby was not THE difference. A young team got older.

[Roy Hobbs]

I agree, but you also Add Horford, a more mature Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.  And lets not rewrite history, Joe Johnson was the one who took that series to 7 games

I'm just saying, Bibby also brought a lot of leadership.  Also, his decision to "go public" and take a lot of scrutiny on to his shoulders allowed the younger guys to escape some of the spotlight.

I'm not sure how we got on this subject, though; I joined late.  I like both Bibby *and* Miller; they each bring different strengths, but both are good starters.

[bdm860]

I agree, but you also Add Horford, a more mature Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.  And lets not rewrite history, Joe Johnson was the one who took that series to 7 games

I'm just saying, Bibby also brought a lot of leadership.  Also, his decision to "go public" and take a lot of scrutiny on to his shoulders allowed the younger guys to escape some of the spotlight.

I'm not sure how we got on this subject, though; I joined late.  I like both Bibby *and* Miller; they each bring different strengths, but both are good starters.

Lol I can't believe you guys are actually arguing two good quality starting PG's.  Roy got it right in his last paragraph.
 
Great Taste!
Less Filling!

But let's keep the debate going shall we?  To Roy's who's been on more 50 win temas, how about who's been on more under 25 win teams? (Answer: Not Miller).
Also Miller hasn't been on a less than 40 win team since his 4th year in the league (excluding the year he was traded mid-season, I believe but can't verify both teams were on pace for 40 wins with him).   In 2 of the last 3 seasons, Bibby was on under 40 win teams.  Lol, please know I'm just playing devils advocate here and not really serious.  Bibby/Miller are both quality starting point guards, I'm surprised we're seeing so much debate.

[Edgar]

I agree, but you also Add Horford, a more mature Josh Smith and Marvin Williams.  And lets not rewrite history, Joe Johnson was the one who took that series to 7 games

I'm just saying, Bibby also brought a lot of leadership.  Also, his decision to "go public" and take a lot of scrutiny on to his shoulders allowed the younger guys to escape some of the spotlight.

I'm not sure how we got on this subject, though; I joined late.  I like both Bibby *and* Miller; they each bring different strengths, but both are good starters.

Lol I can't believe you guys are actually arguing two good quality starting PG's.  Roy got it right in his last paragraph.
 
Great Taste!
Less Filling!

But let's keep the debate going shall we?  To Roy's who's been on more 50 win temas, how about who's been on more under 25 win teams? (Answer: Not Miller).
Also Miller hasn't been on a less than 40 win team since his 4th year in the league (excluding the year he was traded mid-season, I believe but can't verify both teams were on pace for 40 wins with him).   In 2 of the last 3 seasons, Bibby was on under 40 win teams.  Lol, please know I'm just playing devils advocate here and not really serious.  Bibby/Miller are both quality starting point guards, I'm surprised we're seeing so much debate.

and doing a great job at it

p.s. I NEVER enters the debate between bibby and Miller
i enter the debate between

Manu, Redd, Delonte, Bibby, ross , Jrue and dudley  vrs   Miller, Afflalo, Brooks and bellinelly


what do u think on that one?  Share 100 points between them.

[wdleehi]

Second of all be honest, you know MIller is alot better than Bibby right now

No one is disputing Miller is better, But "alot better"   


               PTS       Steals    Assist's   Rebound
Miller-    16.3       1.3       6.5         4.5
Bibby -  14.9       1.2        5.          3.5

turnovers? JW...

I would say thats a significant upgrade.  Especially when you consider what the players roles were on their respective teams.  I think with the weapons in Toronto Miller will put up even better numbers and his career average for assists per game is 7th all time in NBA history.  

Finally.  When you look at the teams with those dominant shooting guards in our league.  I think the only one that is a contender is Portland.  So the thoughts that you need a dominant SG is kind of flawed when only one dominant team has one of those guys?

Well Miller had to have the ball in his hands more while Bibby had Johnson who had the ball in his quite a lot.


Miller is better, but not that much.  

Your SGs are terrible.  No way around it.  Even if Affalo takes over Jones role, isn't that like a 15 minute roll since Smith plays the majority of the minutes off the bench?  Who do you have to do that?

[Rondo2287]

I have Finley who started 71 games last year

[wdleehi]

I have Finley who started 71 games last year

Who ended up playing more minutes then the team wanted because Manu got hurt (again)

[JSD]

I've heard some positive feedback but I'm curious what others think? Any suggestions out there?

Boston Celtics

Starters:
PG - Rafer Alston (34 MPG)
SG - Dwayne Wade(36 MPG)
SF - Rasual Butler (30 MPG)
PF - Antonio McDyess(25 MPG)
C - Nenê(36 MPG)

6th Man:
SF/PF - Lamar Odom (30 MPG)

Role Players:
PG/SG - Leandro Barbosa (25 MPG)
PF/C - Chris Andersen (24 MPG)

[Rondo2287]

He still played them and did well doing it.  However I believe that I dont need my 2 guard to score with my lineup.  Im quite content with a defensive specialist at that position especially in a division with DWade.  Need we remember celtics team that won the championship.  Had two young players that were known for their defense going into the season.  However neither of those players shot 40% from beyond the three point line