2009 Celticsblog Draft: Voting Analysis : Team of the Future

[Roy Hobbs]

Black holes -- the most devastating, self-destructive power in the universe.

fixed.

Hmm...  We may need to get an astrophysicist in here, but I'm not quite sure that is accurate. 

[KCattheStripe]

Black holes -- the most devastating, self-destructive power in the universe.

fixed.

Hmm...  We may need to get an astrophysicist in here, but I'm not quite sure that is accurate. 

All I know is that I'm glad Memphis isn't in your gravitational pull.

[indeedproceed]

Oh come on Roy you can not honestly believe Jermaine O'Neal is going to be anywhere close to 05/06 status.

The guy is mediocre offensively, and defensively he's no where near the same player he once was. And making a come back at age 30? He's an albatross hangin round your neck, sir. An albatross. And his breath smells like rotten fish.

Rotten fish is worse than Josh Howard's weed breath, don't even say it. Can we PLEASE stop dwelling on how my incredibly talented and versatile wing player has the common sense of a rare coin collection?

[KCattheStripe]

Rotten fish is worse than Josh Howard's weed breath, don't even say it. Can we PLEASE stop dwelling on how my incredibly talented and versatile wing player has the common sense of a rare coin collection?

You only know about your "incredibly talented and versatile wing" because I told you he was talented and versatile. I demand Chuck Hayes as compensation.

[indeedproceed]

Rotten fish is worse than Josh Howard's weed breath, don't even say it. Can we PLEASE stop dwelling on how my incredibly talented and versatile wing player has the common sense of a rare coin collection?

You only know about your "incredibly talented and versatile wing" because I told you he was talented and versatile.

That doesn't make it not true NOW though, does it? TP to you.

[Roy Hobbs]

All we want is 2009 Jermaine O'Neal.  That guy blended in perfectly with his team, was a force on defense, and could score from anywhere inside the arc.

[KCattheStripe]

All we want is 2009 Jermaine O'Neal.  That guy blended in perfectly with his team, was a force on defense, and could score from anywhere inside the arc.

I agree, it would take whats inside the Arc of the Covenant to make Jermaine O'Neal a force.

Did I read that wrong?

[indeedproceed]

All we want is 2009 Jermaine O'Neal.  That guy blended in perfectly with his team, was a force on defense, and could score from anywhere inside the arc.

Someone call mythbusters! This one has been busted.



20 shots out of 39 baseline jumpers means "anywhere inside the arc"? Ok, maybe he can score "anywhere inside the arc"..but not very well.

[Roy Hobbs]

All we want is 2009 Jermaine O'Neal.  That guy blended in perfectly with his team, was a force on defense, and could score from anywhere inside the arc.

Someone call mythbusters! This one has been busted.

How so?  The reds and grays are pretty impressive.  Most big men don't have that sort of range.

Of course, I'd show you Big Al's chart, but the site only seems to have the results for guys who played on playoff teams. 

But, let's try this:

Jermaine:  eFG% on jump shots:  .414

Big Al:  eFG% on jump shots: .375

Two interesting thing about that .375?  1) It's a pretty terrible number, and 2) it's the exact same mark as your starting PG's.  But hey, at least *one* starting point guard in the league had a lower number.  That's something, I guess.

[indeedproceed]

The team allowed 3 points FEWER with JO off the court. He allowed opposing players roughly a 51% FG percentage. That is not a force on defense...he is average on defense!

[indeedproceed]

All we want is 2009 Jermaine O'Neal.  That guy blended in perfectly with his team, was a force on defense, and could score from anywhere inside the arc.

Someone call mythbusters! This one has been busted.

How so?  The reds and grays are pretty impressive.  Most big men don't have that sort of range.

Of course, I'd show you Big Al's chart, but the site only seems to have the results for guys who played on playoff teams. 

But, let's try this:

Jermaine:  eFG% on jump shots:  .414

Big Al:  eFG% on jump shots: .375

Two interesting thing about that .375?  1) It's a pretty terrible number, and 2) it's the exact same mark as your starting PG's.  But hey, at least *one* starting point guard in the league had a lower number.  That's something, I guess.

Thank god neither Al Jeffeson or Rajon Rondo need a jump shot to score on 'ol Bones McGee there. They just need to move laterally.

Oh be quiet Al Jefferson's MCL is fine. (oh I saw that one coming.)

[Roy Hobbs]

The team allowed 3 points FEWER with JO off the court. He allowed opposing players roughly a 51% FG percentage. That is not a force on defense...he is average on defense!

Opponent's PER is a lousy metric.  Still, J.O.'s mark was a good deal better than Big Al's .540 eFG% allowed, or your man Darko's (.576eFG% allowed).  Heck, it was even better than J.P.'s, who people talk about as if he's a good defender.

Plus, of course, J.O. will be returning to his natural position of PF, playing alongside a dominant big man.

[indeedproceed]

The team allowed 3 points FEWER with JO off the court. He allowed opposing players roughly a 51% FG percentage. That is not a force on defense...he is average on defense!

Opponent's PER is a lousy metric.  Still, J.O.'s mark was a good deal better than Big Al's .540 eFG% allowed, or your man Darko's (.576eFG% allowed).  Heck, it was even better than J.P.'s, who people talk about as if he's a good defender.

Plus, of course, J.O. will be returning to his natural position of PF, playing alongside a dominant big man.

When you consider Al's offensive acumen, allowing a 3% higher eFG% is forgivable. Remember he had to carry his team on the offensive end every night, so he could only give so much defensively. Jermaine O'Neal just had to carry his baggage from the past 3 years...

Can we please not talk about Darko. I just checked FreeDarko.com, and his mood right now is 'hurt' by your callous allegations.

[Edgar]

The team allowed 3 points FEWER with JO off the court. He allowed opposing players roughly a 51% FG percentage. That is not a force on defense...he is average on defense!

Opponent's PER is a lousy metric.  Still, J.O.'s mark was a good deal better than Big Al's .540 eFG% allowed, or your man Darko's (.576eFG% allowed).  Heck, it was even better than J.P.'s, who people talk about as if he's a good defender.

Plus, of course, J.O. will be returning to his natural position of PF, playing alongside a dominant big man.

When you consider Al's offensive acumen, allowing a 3% higher eFG% is forgivable. Remember he had to carry his team on the offensive end every night, so he could only give so much defensively. Jermaine O'Neal just had to carry his baggage from the past 3 years...

Can we please not talk about Darko. I just checked FreeDarko.com, and his mood right now is 'hurt' by your callous allegations.

Darko....

sorry have to say it...

[Roy Hobbs]

It's interesting, we ended up trading our #1 (and a 10th) for a #2, #4, #5, and #7.

Those players essentially turned out to be Amare + 10th for Rashard Lewis, Mike Bibby, Brad Miller, and Ronny Turiaf.

Who wins that trade?