Von Wafer vs. Eddie House

[Michael Anthony]

It would appear that Von Wafer is emminantly available.

Let's assume we can aquire him via sign-and-trade with Eddie Mansion, would you pull the trigger?

Tale of the tape (2009):

Vafer - Age 24 / Hight 6'5" / 3P% .390 / PER 14.79
House - Age 31 / Hight 6'1" / 3P% .444 / PER 15.44

Playoff Stats (2009):

Vafer - MPG 13.9 / 2P% .424 / 3P% .390 / PTS 8.2
House - MPG 16.6 / 2P% .519 / 3P% .486 / PTS 7.7

[Fafnir]

How big of a sign and trade, what's Wafer's contract?

[ssspence]

i like von but eddie is a good fit for this team. i'd be happy to add von for the LLE or in a s&t for giddens or scal.

[toinewalka]

I'm not huge on Wafer.  He takes a lot of shots and had a bunch of attitude problems with the first coach that ever let him see the court.  I don't mind taking on guys with issues and baggage, but not as my spot up shooter for a handful of minutes during the season.  I like his size better than Eddie's, but let's be serious, they aren't asked to do much.  SHOOT!  That's all we need from this particular roster spot.  Everything else is icing.  I wouldn't make a move like that, especially knowing how much the crowd and the locker room loves Eddie.

[Michael Anthony]

How big of a sign and trade, what's Wafer's contract?

I am thinking equal money, maybe $8 million over three years.

There are CBA challenges to the sign-and-trade since Wafer will be a BYC player, but lets assume we can make things work with a third party if necesary

[Michael Anthony]

I'm not huge on Wafer.  He takes a lot of shots and had a bunch of attitude problems with the first coach that ever let him see the court.  I don't mind taking on guys with issues and baggage, but not as my spot up shooter for a handful of minutes during the season.  I like his size better than Eddie's, but let's be serious, they aren't asked to do much.  SHOOT!  That's all we need from this particular roster spot.  Everything else is icing.  I wouldn't make a move like that, especially knowing how much the crowd and the locker room loves Eddie.

I think you really captured the essence of the issue - Wafer is a risk/reward play.

He just turned 24 and has prototypical size for the position. He has displayed the skill sets of a very solid starter - good shooting, very athletic, low turnovers - on a playoff team, but for only one season. May have attitude problems, or might have just been overcome by emotions in his first playoff (Baby cried on the bench, is that an attitude problem or was he overcome with emotion).

Eddie is a known commodity. Undersized, great shooter, poor handle, good teamate.

[Fafnir]

I'm not huge on Wafer.  He takes a lot of shots and had a bunch of attitude problems with the first coach that ever let him see the court.  I don't mind taking on guys with issues and baggage, but not as my spot up shooter for a handful of minutes during the season.  I like his size better than Eddie's, but let's be serious, they aren't asked to do much.  SHOOT!  That's all we need from this particular roster spot.  Everything else is icing.  I wouldn't make a move like that, especially knowing how much the crowd and the locker room loves Eddie.

I think you really captured the essence of the issue - Wafer is a risk/reward play.

He just turned 24 and has prototypical size for the position. He has displayed the skill sets of a very solid starter - good shooting, very athletic, low turnovers - on a playoff team, but for only one season. May have attitude problems, or might have just been overcome by emotions in his first playoff (Baby cried on the bench, is that an attitude problem or was he overcome with emotion).

Eddie is a known commodity. Undersized, great shooter, poor handle, good teamate.

I don't think he has "poor handle". He doesn't turn the ball over much at all. He's just not good at dealing with pressure.

[Roy Hobbs]

Eddie was huge for us last year.  No, I wouldn't move him.

[Who]

That depends on whether management/Doc is planning on using Eddie House as a point guard or as a two guard.

If Eddie will have the point, then no I wouldn't trade him for Von Wafer. I think House fills a larger need and would add more to the Celtics than Von Wafer.

If Eddie has to play the two guard spot, then yes I'd trade him for Von Wafer in a heartbeat. Von Wafer is a much better defender at that position, and as a result he offers more to the Celtics there than House does.

[mgent]

Sounds like something I'd be happy with, but i couldn't say that with confidence unless i saw him play with this team.  When Eddie is hot, he's huge for us.  I'd like to see some more consistency out of him though (and height).

[wdleehi]

House is the shooter off the bench.  Would not trade him unless they could find an equal shooter.

[RAcker]

Plus, Eddie is much more neatly groomed.  Do not like the Von Mohawk.

[ManUp]

House is the shooter off the bench.  Would not trade him unless they could find an equal shooter.

Von Wafer is no House in terms of shooting but he is a very solid shooter.

I don't see why we can't just sign him with the vet minimum though isn't he a UFA?

[BballTim]

It would appear that Von Wafer is emminantly available.

Let's assume we can aquire him via sign-and-trade with Eddie Mansion, would you pull the trigger?

Tale of the tape (2009):

Vafer - Age 24 / Hight 6'5" / 3P% .390 / PER 14.79
House - Age 31 / Hight 6'1" / 3P% .444 / PER 15.44

Playoff Stats (2009):

Vafer - MPG 13.9 / 2P% .424 / 3P% .390 / PTS 8.2
House - MPG 16.6 / 2P% .519 / 3P% .486 / PTS 7.7

  Since Eddie is only on a short-term contract and doesn't seem to be in serious decline I don't think that the ages of the players comes into play. If anything, House's experience works in his favor.

[GKC]

It would appear that Von Wafer is emminantly available.

Let's assume we can aquire him via sign-and-trade with Eddie Mansion, would you pull the trigger?

Tale of the tape (2009):

Vafer - Age 24 / Hight 6'5" / 3P% .390 / PER 14.79
House - Age 31 / Hight 6'1" / 3P% .444 / PER 15.44

Playoff Stats (2009):

Vafer - MPG 13.9 / 2P% .424 / 3P% .390 / PTS 8.2
House - MPG 16.6 / 2P% .519 / 3P% .486 / PTS 7.7

  Since Eddie is only on a short-term contract and doesn't seem to be in serious decline I don't think that the ages of the players comes into play. If anything, House's experience works in his favor.

I think something that is overlooked, aside from salaries and stats is trust. Von Wafer is a guy who got sent to the locker room in a PLAYOFF GAME. I'm not sure if Doc would trust that type of player, especially at his age. Eddie is already in Doc's good books. Regardless of per minute stats, I think if we had both, Doc would play Eddie more.

I also think Von Wafer is looking for more than the BAE. I mean, his agent was upset at the Ariza signing because he thought Von would start if Artest was gone. That's the value he places on himself.