Daniels is our backup Pointguard

[mgent]

I have to be the unpopular person and say he's not adequate at either role.  He is best as Ray's back-up, a role House already has.  Of course he's gonna work great when paired in the back-court with House, but i agree we need another SF, whether it could be Walker or Scal, i don't know.
Unfortunately i disagree that the combination of House and Daniels as a PG was our best decision.
Please don't get me wrong, i know he's a great addition to our bench, but i have my reserves and have got to say he wasn't the best choice possible.

[BballTim]

I have to be the unpopular person and say he's not adequate at either role.  He is best as Ray's back-up, a role House already has.  Of course he's gonna work great when paired in the back-court with House, but i agree we need another SF, whether it could be Walker or Scal, i don't know.
Unfortunately i disagree that the combination of House and Daniels as a PG was our best decision.
Please don't get me wrong, i know he's a great addition to our bench, but i have my reserves and have got to say he wasn't the best choice possible.

  Why can't he be Paul's backup? What if we don't go to an entire 2nd unit at once and leave in either Paul or Ray with him?

[mgent]

I have to be the unpopular person and say he's not adequate at either role.  He is best as Ray's back-up, a role House already has.  Of course he's gonna work great when paired in the back-court with House, but i agree we need another SF, whether it could be Walker or Scal, i don't know.
Unfortunately i disagree that the combination of House and Daniels as a PG was our best decision.
Please don't get me wrong, i know he's a great addition to our bench, but i have my reserves and have got to say he wasn't the best choice possible.

  Why can't he be Paul's backup? What if we don't go to an entire 2nd unit at once and leave in either Paul or Ray with him?

That sort of works, but it can't be when Rondo is in the game.

[LooseCannon]

  Why can't he be Paul's backup? What if we don't go to an entire 2nd unit at once and leave in either Paul or Ray with him?

That sort of works, but it can't be when Rondo is in the game.

Tony Allen was most often used in a House/TA/RA or House/TA/PP configuration and I think Daniels could be used similarly, so he wouldn't play as much when Rondo is in the game.  I could see the substitution pattern being something like:

Out Ray Allen, In Daniels - Rondo/Daniels/Pierce
Out Rondo, In House - House/Daniels/Pierce
Out Pierce, In Backup PG - PG/House/Daniels (a fourth wing could be employed for a House/Daniels/wing lineup instead)
Out PG (or House), in Ray - House/Daniels/Allen
Out Daniels and House, in Ray and Rondo - Rondo/Allen/Pierce

Sometimes Pierce will come out first, depending on matchups and fouls, but I could see Daniels and perhaps a fourth wing split 10-12 minutes in the middle of each half where one starting wing sits out the first part and the other sits out the later part, with a short 2-3 minute run where both Ray Allen and Paul Pierce sit.  If Pierce and Allen sit for seven minutes each half, that means they average 34 minutes.  Pierce and Allen each sitting for six minutes that overlap for 2-3 minutes each half would probably get them to the 35mpg that would be a tolerable load, once you factor in games where they sit more due to foul trouble or blowouts.

Then again, Doc tends to annoy people in this forum with substitution patterns that don't make sense.

[Bankshot]

Hopefully, Marbury will be the backup point guard.

[Fafnir]

Hopefully, Marbury will be the backup point guard.

Hopefully Marbury will be able to but the ball in the bucket in that case  .

[Brendan]

A lot of posters get it all wrong. There are not enough minutes to need a backup PG, use House and play Daniels.

Daniels and House will cover the 1, 2, and 3 off the bench. House will bring the ball up unless there is pressure. The half court offense will run through whoever is playing of the Allen, Pierce, and Daniels group. Our five man lineup with House at PG is fine as long as both wings have good handle. Mostly it means Pierce will get some time chucking three pointers when Ray Allen is out. We will also see some lineups with Ray or PP at SF, House at SG, and Rondo at PG - but I think most teams have enough size at SG or PG to make that a defensive risk in general.

Doc has had rotations that use players at multiple positions - for example Posey would come in at SF and move to PF. KG would start at PF and move to C. Pierce played SG when Posey was at SF. Ray Allen played SF when House or Tony Allen was at SG. And House played both guard spots.

I really hope we don't see a ten man rotation. The talent drop off behind Daniels and House is getting steeper and steeper. Even the drop off from Sheed to Scal/BBD is too big, but there is no way to make the big man rotation work without using a fourth big man for ~4 minutes a night.

[BballTim]

I have to be the unpopular person and say he's not adequate at either role.  He is best as Ray's back-up, a role House already has.  Of course he's gonna work great when paired in the back-court with House, but i agree we need another SF, whether it could be Walker or Scal, i don't know.
Unfortunately i disagree that the combination of House and Daniels as a PG was our best decision.
Please don't get me wrong, i know he's a great addition to our bench, but i have my reserves and have got to say he wasn't the best choice possible.

  Why can't he be Paul's backup? What if we don't go to an entire 2nd unit at once and leave in either Paul or Ray with him?

That sort of works, but it can't be when Rondo is in the game.

  I don't think things are as drastic as you think. Rondo and Daniels won't play a ton together but the universe won't implode when they do. The team will likely at least tread water when it happens.

[Fafnir]

A lot of posters get it all wrong. There are not enough minutes to need a backup PG, use House and play Daniels.

Daniels and House will cover the 1, 2, and 3 off the bench. House will bring the ball up unless there is pressure. The half court offense will run through whoever is playing of the Allen, Pierce, and Daniels group. Our five man lineup with House at PG is fine as long as both wings have good handle. Mostly it means Pierce will get some time chucking three pointers when Ray Allen is out. We will also see some lineups with Ray or PP at SF, House at SG, and Rondo at PG - but I think most teams have enough size at SG or PG to make that a defensive risk in general.

Doc has had rotations that use players at multiple positions - for example Posey would come in at SF and move to PF. KG would start at PF and move to C. Pierce played SG when Posey was at SF. Ray Allen played SF when House or Tony Allen was at SG. And House played both guard spots.

I really hope we don't see a ten man rotation. The talent drop off behind Daniels and House is getting steeper and steeper. Even the drop off from Sheed to Scal/BBD is too big, but there is no way to make the big man rotation work without using a fourth big man for ~4 minutes a night.

TP for the summary of what I've been trying to say. I think the rotations won't be so tight in the regular season though, in the post season I think that'd exactly how it'd work.

[Jon]

A lot of posters get it all wrong. There are not enough minutes to need a backup PG, use House and play Daniels.

Daniels and House will cover the 1, 2, and 3 off the bench. House will bring the ball up unless there is pressure. The half court offense will run through whoever is playing of the Allen, Pierce, and Daniels group. Our five man lineup with House at PG is fine as long as both wings have good handle. Mostly it means Pierce will get some time chucking three pointers when Ray Allen is out. We will also see some lineups with Ray or PP at SF, House at SG, and Rondo at PG - but I think most teams have enough size at SG or PG to make that a defensive risk in general.

Doc has had rotations that use players at multiple positions - for example Posey would come in at SF and move to PF. KG would start at PF and move to C. Pierce played SG when Posey was at SF. Ray Allen played SF when House or Tony Allen was at SG. And House played both guard spots.

I really hope we don't see a ten man rotation. The talent drop off behind Daniels and House is getting steeper and steeper. Even the drop off from Sheed to Scal/BBD is too big, but there is no way to make the big man rotation work without using a fourth big man for ~4 minutes a night.

TP for the summary of what I've been trying to say. I think the rotations won't be so tight in the regular season though, in the post season I think that'd exactly how it'd work.

I agree too.  While I've played into this whole "green team"/"second team" fantasy at times at the thought of having a bench of Marbury/House/Daniels/Davis/Wallace, in reality, we're probably only going to need 8-9 man rotation, even in the regular season.  I mean, sure we want to keep all the vets minutes down, but we don't want to play them 20 mpg either.  At the 2/3 spots and 4/5 spots, we could cover them entire with our starters and Wallace and Daniels by simply playing everyone 32 mpg.  Might we need the spot 5 mpg from Scal or Walker?  Sure.  But even at that low mpg, we don't need much more than that.  Similarly, at Rondo's age, I don't see why he can't play 35-36 mpg.  While I'm not averse to bringing back Marbury, I also think we can get by with House there if we're only talking playing him 12-13 mpg.